Saab 9-5 delayed? Seems so.

Automotive News have written a major story on an issue that first surfaced a few days ago. Back then it was rumours about the Chevy Cruze compact car being delayed. Today’s story concerns quite a lot of GM’s coming models being delayed due to funding problems putting constraints on research and development.

General Motors is postponing nearly all of its spending on product development in 2009 and 2010 — a cost-cutting move that could delay the introduction of key vehicles such as the Chevrolet Cruze.

The automaker also is cutting spending on engineering, design and r&d, say sources familiar with GM’s plans. So far, nothing has been officially canceled, but nearly everything is delayed, the sources say.

“The 2009 stuff that’s too late to cancel is coming out, then everything else gets pushed out anywhere between three months and up to a year,” said one of the sources. “It’s not just capital budget; it’s also engineering, design … everything that would cause money to flow out in 2009.”

There’s nothing about Saab mentioned directly in the Automotive News story, but then we have this, which came through TS earlier today…..

Sorry to say this but on a meeting today i got the information that 9-5 is delayed. The number of try-out builds are also reduced but i dont know if or how that affect the geneva show.

Guys, this circus is going nowhere but down. I also got some other ‘what-the-heck-is-going-on-here” info…but i guess the 9-5 is enough of bad news for you..

…..and I can confirm from the information I’ve seen associated with that comment that the commenter knows what he’s talking about.

I imagine that Saab will still show the car in Geneva, though it seems that in this current climate, nothing is certain. What seems highly likely is that the 2010 Saab 9-5 won’t come out for sale late in 2009, as we assumed.

GM are going to proceed with vehicles that are near production already. Vehicles such as the Buick Lacrosse, Chevy Traverse and Cadillac CTS wagon will go ahead. Similarly, they’ll proceed with the Chevrolet Volt as that vehicle is seen as essential for the near-term future of the company.

Saab? Not so essential from the company point of view.

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For those who haven’t been following it themselves, the GM/Chrysler merger story is still well and truly alive. In fact, multiple sources are now saying that the deal is all but done, with GM lobbying the US government for funds to complete the deal. The government cash would provide an equity stake in the merged company that I’m guessing the government would able to sell down the track.

This means that GM would have a whole lot of brand/people/dealer cutting to do. Where that would leave Saab, I don’t know.

Would GM use it as an opportunity?

I know they’ve committed to Saab etc etc, but that was before their entire world was turned on its head. I’ve got a feeling that the GM we’ll all be observing in 12 months from now will be quite different to what we’re seeing today.

I’m not trying to scaremonger here, but I am pretty sure that September-to-December 2008 is going to be seen as a defining time for GM, should they survive the next 12 months.

Some fun with that AMS 2010 Saab 9-5 picture

Auto Motor and Sport published what we believe might be the first 2010 Saab 9-5 mule photo we’ve seen so far. It was all Opel Insignia on the outside, but it had this on the inside:

I’ve tried (in vain) to clear that one up a little so that we can tell a little more from it. It hasn’t worked that well, but I think it’s a little better.

Given that the dash seemed to fit so neatly into what we assume is a standard Insignia shell – it might be another toad for all we know – I thought it’d be interesting to try and do a direct comparison between the two.

So I took our photo above and tried as best I could to match it in size with this photo of the Insignia interior:

Next I dropped them both into Photoshop Elements and played with their respective opacities, trying to basically superimpose one upon the other. Again, I only had a marginal amount of success as the respective angles of the photos were different. And then there’s all that glare from the 9-5 shot.

Anyway, I think it still made for an interesting experiment. Here’s the graduated results:

What can we see here?

Well, thanks to all that glare, we can see nowhere near as much as we’d like to. But…..there’s still some definite Saab cues here as well as some points of similarity.

The 9-5 dash looks to be retaining that cockpit-like, driver-focused shape and direction. The angles of the photos are a little deceptive and make it look like the 9-5 dash is pushed in much more towards the driver. It won’t be so far to the driver’s side as these shots indicate, but it’ll still retain that distinctive Saab form.

The satnav screen is similarly positioned to a current 9-5 screen rather than up high as in the Insignia. The green lighting is another obvious point of difference.

One thing I’d be interested to know is whether this test mule is testing the dash only, or the full front interior of the car. The reason I’m wondering is that apart from what looks like a start button near the gearshift, that gearshift area looks almost identical between the two cars.

There’s not a whole lot we can tell based on the quality of the AMS photo, but it’s fun to try and really does whet the appetite for what’s going to possibly be Saab’s most important new model in a decade or so.

Have AMS spied the 2010 Saab 9-5 interior?

Saab 9-5 mules have been quite scarce and with the new version expected on display in Geneva early next year, AMS are starting to get twitchy. Someone from AMS spotted a car with an Opel Insignia face and a lot of tape on it. When he looked closer, past the Opel badge on the steering wheel, the shape of the dash gave away the possibility that it might have been something else all together.

The original article with more pictures is here at Auto Motor and Sport. You Swedes should go there and read it in your native tongue.

Here’s the main image of interest. It’s grainy and there’s a LOT of reflection off the glass, but this could be the best close-up glimpse we’ve got of the new 9-5 so far.

What we can see here is a departure from Saab’s traditional all-green interior lighting. The lighting on the console seems to be green with the exception of the controls on the left. The lighting on the steering wheel appears to be red, which may be because it’s an Opel wheel (or maybe because that’s how it’s going to be). It’d be very odd to see two different colors in there, though.

What’s leading people to think this is a 9-5 interior, of course, is the shape of the dash. It’s certainly not the Insignia dash shape, so the badging on the car doesn’t accurately reflect what’s inside.

The mind boggles, but the body’s tingling with the thought that this could be the first genuine glimpse we’re getting of the car.

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Following is a Google translation of the bit on AMS that pertains to the interior.

Again, for more images and the original story from Par Brandt, in Swedish, click through to Auto Motor and Sport.

Some rumors claim that the 9-5 is being tested in the U.S., where it does not arouse much attention. Others argue that Saab carries out testing and mask the car as an Opel Insignia, which we believe we have demonstrated for a few days ago. Lars Ryefalk were coming over from Denmark on the ferry when he quoted a closet Insignia, which is a bit odd given that the car has been out for a long time now.

When Lars looked into the car he saw the Opel-wheel first, but then thought that the interior looked “Saab” out. A few quick pictures with mobile camera, then it was time to run out of the ferry. Lars waiting to hear what engine it was in the car, but “Insignian” refused to start and therefore it was not possible to determine whether it was gasoline or diesel. Lars thought that backdoor makers saw joins out and wonder if it can be a Saab-chassis hiding behind Insignia-chariot? Maybe!

Woohaa!!!

2009 Saab 9-5 – details for Germany (bonus: 9-3 Hirsch info as well!)

Hot on the heels of details coming through for the 2009 Saab 9-5 in Sweden, we’ve now received a little information for the German edition in what will be the final year for this generation of the Saab 9-5.

Saab 9-5:

In Germany, the Griffin Edition replaces all other types: Linear, Vector and Aero.

Every 9-5 will have the Aero body trim and you can get any engine option you want. The models wil be named as they are in Sweden: the Linear Griffin and the Vector Griffin.

The Linear is the same as the car in the article for Sweden. The Vector Griffin for Germany also has a Harman Kardon sound system, electric seats and a black polished (piano) trim level for the interior.

Unlike in Sweden, however, Germany will also get the 260hp engine variant as a Griffin Edition.

Below is a picture, believed to be a 9-5 Griffin edition, recently photographed at Saab in Trollhattan. Another shot of the new Griffin rims follows.

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See here for full details on the 2009 Saab 9-3 Hirsch model for the German market. With picture!

Saab 9-3:

The 2009 Saab 9-3 is now again available as a Hirsch Performance model in the German market.

The Sedan and SportCombi come standard with XWD and 300 Hp (a 300hp Saab 9-3 available from a dealer – YES!! – SW). The cars have special front flaps, a different Hirsch style grille in the front, the new 19 inch rims, and a special Hirsch diffusor.

Sadly, we don’t have pictures of the grille and the diffusor as yet. The Convertible is also available with the Hirsch package but the torque is reduced from 430 NM to 400 NM.

Thanks as always, to Djup Strupe.

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2009 Saab 9-5 Griffin Edition – details for Sweden

I covered this in snippets last night, but have just received some more information about the 2009 Saab 9-5. Bottom Line: If you live in Sweden and want a 260hp Saab 9-5 – get in quick.

Please bear in mind that this is just for the Swedish market at the moment and may not be the case for other markets, but one of the headlines for 2009 is that the 260hp engine variant, and the Aero badge, are not options in Sweden for 2009. If you want a Saab 9-5 Aero with a 260hp engine, it looks like you’ll have to sift through 2008 model stocks

The Saab 9-5 will only be available in a special “Griffin Edition” and will come in two levels of trim only – Linear and Vector (with a sports variant available). The details I’ve received so far are as follows:

First week of November (week 45) Saab will start to manufacture an “enhanced” version of the Saab 9-5. It will be named Griffin.

The Griffin model has gone through a few careful design updates and it will have additional standard
equipment.

The Saab 9-5 will be available in two different versions, Linear Griffin and Vector Griffin. The Griffin models will be open for order 1st of October. And will replace all existing 9-5 models.

Exterior changes:
* Aero rear bumper including spoiler.
* The finish on the metallic frames on the headlight grill will be more like the 9-3 (not so shiny)
* New contrasting seams on handbrake and gear stick
* SPA (parking sensors standard)
* Front foglights standard
* Linear Griffin will have tinted metallic inserts on doors etc.
* On Griffin Vector Bi-xenon is standard, rain sensor, ALU63 rim (Aero MY08).

You canʼt order anymore Aeros, no 2.3t biopower as an Aero model, and there’s no 260hp engine. The following engine options are available for both the Linear and Vector trim levels.

2.0t (150hp)
2.0t BioPower (180hp)
2.3t BioPOwer (210hp)
1.9 TiD (150hp)
1.9 TiD HP (175hp)

Prices will range from 239,900 skr for the 2.0t Linear Griffin sedan and top out at 296,900 skr for the 1.9 TiD HP SportCombi. The full range and prices are as follows. Click to enlarge:

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The seat you see is the new standard seat for vector griffin, itʼs available in black with beige accent, black with grey accent and beige with black accent.

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Pollhattan Saab: a 1.6T for the Saab 9-5?

Earlier today, I posted on a Channel4 report about the Saab 9-5.

They’re claiming that the next generation Saab 9-5 will get a turbocharged 1.6 litre engine for its base model. They state that the info has come from a Saab source, but I’m remaining cautious until I can confirm the info for myself.

There’s been a lot of talk about how similar the current Saab 9-5 and Saab 9-3 are, so Saab are looking to differentiate them in size. According people who have seen it, the next Saab 9-5 is reputed to be around Audi A6 proportions, which is quite a bit bigger.

Keep in mind, also, that this will be Saab’s flagship vehicle. I’ve not heard of any plans for one bigger, so this is it. In a flagship vehicle, things such as power and ride comfort matter, as do safety and equipment.

People have suggested a few different engine specifications. The Opel Insignia will have a normally aspirated 1.6litre as a base engine with an output of 115hp. The possibilities go right up to around 200hp, though I think that being a base engine, it’d be more likely to land at around 150 to 170hp.

One final thing to remember is that many European markets charge taxes according to engine size, engine power or emissions (or a combination of all three). This base engine would make an attractive proposition for some looking to save some tax money and not too concerned with output.

So, what’s your verdict on the proposition? Many of you have had you say in comments already, so register your vote below and we’ll see what the results are tomorrow.

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Channel 4 put 1.6T into Saab 9-5

England’s 4Car website is running a story today that claims the next Saab 9-5 will have a base engine of just 1.6 litres displacement, with a high pressure turbo employed to deliver the output expected of a flagship sedan.

They claim Saab sources told them so, but I’m skeptical.

Here’s how they introduce it:

Saab’s next-generation 9-5 is to feature an all-new 1.6-litre turbocharged engine, in line with the company’s new policy on downsizing….

….Despite the smaller entry-level engine – which will nonetheless have a competitive power output and performance capabilities, boosted by its turbocharger – the new 9-5 will actually be a little larger than the outgoing model….a rival for the likes of the Audi A6, Volkswagen Passat and similarly-sized large family vehicles.

I get the downsizing thing. That makes sense to me. They’re doing it with the 9-3 to the point that thoughts of a 9-1 are now on hold.

But given that the dimensions of the next 9-5 will actually be larger than the outgoing model, I find it hard to imagine how they’re going to manufacture a premium, flagship driving experience in a large-bodied vehicle with such a small engine.

4Car also state that the current 2 litre BioPower engines will remain, that the 9-5 will get a 2.8 litre turbo V6 that’s similar to what’ll be in the Cadillac CTS (direct injection? If so, then yay!) and there’ll be a couple of diesel options, too.

All the engines in the above paragraph make perfect sense to me and given that the car’s going to be larger than the previous model, retaining the 2.0 BioPower engine as a base would be a form of downsizing in itself. But a 1.6?

Can you imagine a 1.6 engine with a turbo pushing a car this large on a hot day?

I’m not saying that it’s not going to happen, but I think I’ll have to wait and hear it myself from Djup Strupe before I’ll jump on board with this one. It just doesn’t make sense for a premium flagship vehicle.

I think it should also be mentioned here that these plans, if true, are most likely for the European market only. I can’t imagine them trying to push this engine in the US.

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Djup Strupe, if you’ve got anything to offer on this, then please do. You know where to find me.

I should also mention at this point that the last word we had on Saab 9-5 engines for the 2010 model year was back in May this year. These were posted in comments by someone I didn’t know, but the same person also posted 9-4x engine specs that I know to be accurate.

Long story, short: I’ve got some faith in these numbers.

2.0T 190hp + 220 hp
2.0T Biopower 190-220 hp
2.8T V6 260 hp
2.0 Tid 160 hp + 190 hp
2.9 Tid V6 XWD AT 250 hp

They look like 9-5 numbers to me. I can’t imagine the car getting bigger and those numbers getting smaller.

I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but a 1.6T Saab 9-5 won’t be on the shopping list of many people I know.

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2010 Saab 9-5 photochop

Auto Motor and Sport in Sweden have posted a new photoshop CGI of what they believe is the forthcoming Saab 9-5, which will be a 2010 model year vehicle released for sale late in 2009. The illustration is from an outfit called Schulte Design, who apparently make a habit of being very close to the real thing in their renderings.

There’s a story there too, for those who read Swedish, but I’m told there’s nothing additional to what we’ve already heard. It’s basically a summary article of all the 9-5 news that AMS have collected in the last year (which has all been posted here, too).

Click to enlarge, and if you’re a Swede-reader, click through to AMS for the full story. That AMS link will also get you access to a version twice the size of the one I’ve posted here.

My thanks to Par Brandt at AMS for the tip!

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