There’s a new kid in town – the WRX arrives!

Saab Subaru

If you’re wondering why posting has been light today, that photo should give you a clue :-)

I picked up my month-long test drive Subaru WRX at 10.30 this morning. It was a pretty quick affair. The guy at Performance Subaru here in Hobart gave me a quick run down on the vehicle, made a copy of my driver’s licence and said “have fun!”.

So I did.

I’ve only taken it on one run so far, to get a feel for the engine and just to get acquainted with the driving environment. I won’t give away any impressions at the moment as it’d be unfair, but suffice to say that I’m in for a very interesting month.

If my 900 looks jealous, that’s because it is. It won’t even be living with us for the next month. I’ve been wanting to get my Camry-driving mate, Stu the lens genius, into a Saab for a long time now, so this month is the perfect opportunity. He and his wife will be looking after the Aero until the end of March when I hand the Subie back.

That’s enough for now. Here’s a few more photos and the spec sheet for the car is at the end.

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Subaru Impreza WRX

Subaru Impreza WRX

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Richo needs your help….Saab vs Subaru

Many of you would know of a mate of mine in Sydney by the name of Richo. He’s posted a question in comments that I think I’ll bring to the front page here so that it can have a thread of it’s own.

i have a question..

Why would you buy a Saab over a Subaru Liberty?

I’m interested to hear opinions.

…..and this is followed with a quick summary:

Saab 93 linear (129kw) – $44300 + onroads
FWD
5 star safety
resale terrible
no sat nav available bluetooth add $500 now standard in Oz.
3 year limited km warrantee
Ordinary/terrible dealer and service network

Subaru Liberty 2.5 (127kw) – $32490 drive away
AWD
5 star safety
resale great
Sat Nav + blue tooth
3 year unlimited km warrantee
Great dealer and service network

Now…. apart from the fact I’ve been a Saab nut for 16 years, tell me why I wouldn’t go and sign a cheque for the Liberty?

I know you can all tell I’m REALLY struggling with this, as I’m sure most of you would too… but there has to be a better reason than simple blind loyalty to Saab, doesn’t there?

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So I’ll chime in with my 0.02c worth seeing you’re asking, cobber.

1. The price is compelling, but I imagine you’d need to do a full features comparison to put it into perspective. For example, while they have similar power figures, the Saab has 40 or so more torques. But nevertheless, lets call it advantage Subaru.

2. FWD vs AWD is a matter of personal choice, but if you’d find AWD to be a need, then fair enough.

3. Safety is a 5-all draw.

4. Resale’s definitely an issue, advantage Subaru.

5. Satnav’s for sissies that can’t read maps and you can Bluetooth the Saab pretty quickly Bluetooth is standard on all Saabs in Oz in 2008 (thanks, Hawkeye!). If you really need satnav then get a TomTom and put the groovy Saab flash on it :-) . OK, I’m kidding. If you need nav, you need nav.

6. You mention the limited km warranty on the Saab like it’s a disadvantage. It’s a three year 100,000 km warranty and whilst that’s not unlimited, may I remind you that you’ve had your Viggen for how long? and done how many km?

7. The comparisons between dealer and service networks are possibly the product of your experience. There’s good and bad apples in every box but I’ll admit that Saab’s apples aren’t quite the quality of Tasmanian apples, shall we say. My own experience with Suuby customer service is mixed. When I complained about one of their ads, they offered me a test drive for a week, but it’s all words and no action right now as the car hasn’t materialised.

Something that you haven’t addressed in your summary but that we’ve spoken about by phone is the fact that I genuinely believe you’re likely to be sitting in your Subaru Liberty, probably some time in April, and you’ll look around at your rather plain surroundings and the feel the lack of turbo under your foot and you’ll start thinking to yourself “why the heck did I buy this? I’m bored witless”.

Also, compare those seats.

I think if you’re going to go the Subaru route , or any other route, you’d be far better off buying something with a bit more character, like a Rex, a Type R Civic. But that’s just me. I just can’t see you in a ‘regular’ car.

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All of this has come about because Richo’s got Viggen problems. They’re serious and as you can see, in terms of his relationship with Saab, they may be terminal. It’s got him – and quite rightly so, I might add – quite riled up.

More on those later. For now, hit the comments button and let your Subaru knowledge fly.

Saab vs BMW 320i

Some things are just inevitable truths.

For example, the notion that Elle McPherson could only ever have good looking kids. I don’t think there’s a guy out there on this planet who is so ugly that he could tone down her natural gifts to the point that their combined efforts could be unattractive. To look at, at least. They could be unattractive people, but that’s another story.

BMW 320i

Another inevitable truth is that I will never own a BMW. Some things just aren’t in your blood. I was born in Melbourne, Australia, and therefore I have a natural aversion towards Sydney. I support the Carlton Football Club, therefore I hate the Collingwood Football Club. I love Saabs, therefore I will never own a BMW. Some walls just can’t be breached.

But there’s a lot of people who do own BMWs and here in Australia, the single biggest seller is the 320 entry model. So that’s why I requested this particular model for a test drive. I fully realise that you can’t get a 320 in the United States. Actually, you can’t get any 4 cylinder BMW in the US from what I can tell, so you US types might want to stop reading here.

For the rest of us, this is a story about perceived value and why Saab no longer compete well in a market they once set the bar in.

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Saab vs Toyota Aurion

Before anyone starts, I know this isn’t a car that competes directly against Saab.

It’s a family 5-seater with a 3.5 litre V6 and at base level, it sells for around A$36,000. In comparison, the base level Saab 9-3 costs $43,400, is smaller inside and has a 2.0 low pressure turbo.

So why write an article purporting to compare the two? Because as I alluded to in my earlier writeup, driving this brand new and much lauded Toyota sedan, I came to remember many of the things that I appreciate about driving my Saabs.

Here’s what I learned:

feel matters

The Aurion produces more power and more torque than my Viggen. It puts all that grunt and twist through the front wheels and yet there isn’t a hint of torque steer. The engine is quiet and there’s relatively little road or wind noise.

That should be a recipe for a nice, engaging ride. But it isn’t.

This car is the automotive equivalent of a toaster. It’s a mere transportation appliance. There’s absolutely no feel to it at all that lets the driver know that they’re part of the process, part of the activity that is driving.

Accelerate and the trees move faster on the outside, but you feel virtually no change on the inside. Turn in and things move slowly sideways, but there’s nothing coming through the steering wheel to give you any feedback whatsoever. Take a longer journey and I imagine you’ll arrive quite refreshed as there’s every chance you’ll sleep through most of it. It’s about as interesting as a spoon, but with fewer enjoyable applications.

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A quick word on interiors

Photography has a lot to answer for.

This is the interior that I’ve just taken possession of on behalf of the organisation I work for. It’s a new Toyota Aurion and no, I don’t make the leasing decisions around here. I should also add that we got the base model and don’t have the screen in the middle. Just a CD/radio for we humble workers.

Aurion interior

Now that actually looks pretty neat and tidy. Nice metallic finishes etc. But all is not quite as it seems.

Whilst driving this car back from the Toyota dealer I got a great reminder that amidst all the hoo-hah around here this last week about Saab interiors, the best way to gauge them is to step into another car and feel the difference.

Those nice metallic finishes in the Aurion are very cheap feeling plastic. One of the faux-metallic surfaces has already scuffed and will never be the same again. The seats are a decent enough fabric, but are in no way as supportive or comfortable as a Saab seat, or a Holden seat, for that matter.

The car has a foot-operated parking brake, which the salesman told me was to make way for more storage bins in the center. This would be great except for the fact that I couldn’t find a single storage bin that was forward of the driver and big enough to accommodate the two ballpoint pens that I transferred from our old vehicle. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough.

Interestingly, on my brief drive, I managed to get the ABS operational simply by turning left into a petrol station. It didn’t do it again, but it had me dreading the next two years. The engine is very quiet, as it should be given that it’s so docile and I’ve had more feedback at a general meeting of Association of Australian Mutes.

I’ll take the car home this evening, which is something I don’t normally do. I have a feeling that at least one of three things will happen:

    a) The Aurion will give up it’s secrets.
    b) I’ll find that as I suspected, the Aurion actually doesn’t have any secrets, or
    c) I’ll at least find somewhere to put those pens.

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Far from being an initial review of the Toyota Aurion, this was meant to be a reminder of two things:

Firstly, despite the fact that interiors can look good in photos, photos can be quite deceiving.

Secondly, whilst we’d all like Saab interiors to be that little bit better so as to match the very head of the competition, one drive in a slightly lesser car will point out pretty quickly that they’re not actually bad. They’re just not quite as good as they could be.

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And given that SaabUSA were recently pushing some attention at the close pricing between some upper level Camry models and the 2.0T version of the 9-3, this isn’t as a big a leap as some might think.

Future Saab 9-1 vs Astra VXR vs Saab 9-3 Convertible

It’s time for another comparison drive.

As many of the automotive journos don’t really “get” what Saabs are all about, it’s up to we Saab nuts to drive some of the competition and then reflect on how good/bad it is and what it makes us think about our Saabs.

I’ve bought the future Saab 9-1 into this one as it’s going to be based on the same platform as the next Astra and both will be built in Trollhattan. Obviously there’s no direct comparison here as the 9-1 isn’t built yet, but it’s interesting to get an insight into what will likely be regarded by some as its forbear.

Our reviewer is WooDz, and I should add that he does have a very special affinity with Saabs – and he sells them.

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Astra VXRI’ve been unfortunate enough to have to drive an Astra VXR for the past 4 months. Outside the car looks cool. Saab should have rebadged this car as a 9-2 and not the Impreza. I’m sure production costs would have been less and it could have been sold in Europe too. But hey, we can’t rewrite history.

The interior is far better than the Japanese competition and although many have written to the contrary, the VXR’s ‘Klavier Black’ centre console is far more appetising to the eye than the Grey dull plastic interior of a Golf.

However there are some hang-ups.

First up are the Recaro sports seats, which are built to fit the 13 year old kids who have this car plastered on their bedroom wall. I’m what you call a 6-foot bean-pole and the seats are snug on me. It presses my wallet so tightly against me that it constricts the blood flow to my leg and thank God my journey to work is only 25 minutes, as any longer would no doubt start the onset of deep vein thrombosis.

Then there are the large useful side pockets that you can’t pull anything out of after you’ve dropped it in, as the average hand is too big to slip between the seat and the door. Naturally this has also been designed for the juvenile delinquent that can fit in the seats.

The engine: What I really like about Saabs and even the 2.8 V6 Turbo does this, is that the power is delivered silky smooth but with purpose: you’re doing double the speed limit before you know what’s happened. (ring any bells with your first test drive?)

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Saab v Subaru – an owner’s story

It’s been a little while since we’ve had an owner’s vehicle comparison.

These get filed under the category: I drove a XXX and here’s why I’d still buy a Saab…

This one’s from Rogan, a relatively new commenter here on the site, and a recent acquirer of a very neat Saab 9-3 Vector in basic black.

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Saab 9-3As of about a month ago, I’ve been the proud owner of a 2003 Saab 9-3 Sport Sedan Vector. Let me first say that I’m 17, so I’m not in the Saab demographic.

I was given a first car when I got my licence, a 1989 Ford Probe GT, but told that I would be on my own if I required anything better. My first experience with Saab was in 2004, when my Dad (Age 50, Nuclear Physicist, totally in the Saab demographic) picked up a 2004 9-3 Arc with a 5-speed. I thought it was a great car, but not what I’d want to drive when I was able.

What I wanted was pretty much the same as every other teenage boy all across the world does: the Subaru WRX. Not having actually driven many cars, I thought that absolute performance was all I would ever need, and the WRX with 227 HP and AWD certainly delivered. I was infinitely jealous of my friend, when he picked up a silver 2002 WRX sedan.

Finally, after working as a computer tech and Opera usher for what seemed like eternity, I was able to take the plunge on a new car. At this point, I had driven my dad’s Saab, my friends ’02 WRX, and a ’02 WRX Wagon and an ’04 WRX Sedan. The choice would be obvious for any other boy my age. So why did I choose the Saab?

First of all, let me tell you straight off the bat, the WRX performs. If you just want to get in a car and drive like your pants are on fire, you absolutely can’t go wrong with the WRX. The car accelerates blindingly quick and handles like its on rails. In just high-performance driving dynamics, I’m sorry to say it but I think it beats the Saab. Somehow, I realized that this wasn’t all-important in a car. The wagon wasn’t an option, as any teenager in the US would understand. The sedan’s seats can’t fold down, so its useless in terms of practicality. And either way you go, the WRX is extremely ugly in my opinion.

The interior isn’t a great place to be, since it is essentially a souped up econobox. There are lots of cheap plastics and cheap fabric. The boost gauge is an option, and it’s bolted on to the side of the steering column. The shifter feels like it will bend if pulled to quickly. There are no power seats and no trip computer, so it was even a downgrade in some ways from my 1989 Ford Probe. Really, the only good things about the interior were the seats (which were good, but not as good as my Saab) and the 80W 6-Disk CD Changer (which is blown away by my Saab’s 300W 6-Disk unit).

When driving around normally about 95% of the time, the Saab feels much better then the WRX, much smoother and much better low end power. You can still get the car to move quickly when you don’t feel like high-performance driving and you just want to waft yourself home. The car itself is beautiful in black with the body kit and 17″ split-spoke rims, and gets me plenty of attention in the school parking lot.

It’s relaxing when it needs to be and very fast when I want it to be. The car doesn’t have quite as much grip as the WRX, but it handles much more smoothly and with less body roll when your not right on the limit. It doesn’t accelerate nearly as quickly at the low end, but its much smoother. Once in third gear, the WRX would be a fairly small spec in the rear-view mirror.

The level of equipment I have in the Vector is ridiculous. A car that I bought for less than a new Toyota Corolla gave me leather, heated and memory seats, six-disk CD, trip computer, aluminium trim, six-speed manual, 17 inch wheels, dual-zone climate control, and the list goes on and on.

Saab 9-3

In the end, the 9-3 was a pretty easy choice for me. My only complaint is the occasional rattle, but since it’s used and it’s an ’03, I’m not sure if I really even have the right to complain about that. AWD would be nice, but they’ve already gotten that under control, haven’t they.

In the end, I guess I’ve realized that Saabs are performance cars for real people. People that have lives other than their cars and need the car to suit them to. If my Saab was a person, it would defiantly be one of the most tolerant, willing and cheerful people I’ve ever met. The car can perform, and I can still throw my skis or mountain bike in the back. I can get 23 mpg in the city with the car, unlike almost any other performance car.

I love the Subaru WRX. It’s a great car and it has awesome performance. The Saab just betters it in almost every conceivable way. If it weren’t for my dad owning a Saab, it’s something that I would have never realized.

I think Saab could get a lot more younger drivers if they get out there and advertise. Saab vehicles aren’t a niche market. Saab just needs to get out there and let people know about their products. GM needs to support them in this area. Some of my friends couldn’t believe I had bought a Saab that wasn’t a hatchback, because they didn’t know such a thing existed!

I’m glad that Saab resale value has been bad enough up to this point to allow me to get into such a phenomenal car. I realize how little I paid for a 5 year old car that this awesome, and I can’t help but wonder if I’ll be able to pick a Turbo-X for the same price in six or seven years. On one side, I hope so, but on another side, I hope that Saab can get out there and make people “get the point” of Saab, so resale values won’t be so poor.

Anyway, I consider myself extremely lucky for knowing how great Saab is, and I hope there are many other drivers like me who follow in my footsteps, realizing what really makes a good car.

Saab 9-3SC vs Volvo V50

This review comes from Bengt P. As you’ll see below, he’s just picked up a 2008 Saab 9-3 to replace his Volvo V50. When Bengt mentioned in comments a few days ago that he was going to pass on his impressions there, I wrote to him and offered the chance to make a full article of it. Here’s what he’s come back with.

Thanks Bengt, and enjoy everyone. The pictures are clickable, as usual.

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Four days ago I picked up my new car, a 9/3 SportCombi 2008 and I thought that I should give you my first impressions and also a comparison with my former car, a Volvo V50 T5 2004, when I still have fresh memories of it. Note that I am not new to SAAB. Before the Volvo I had a 2000 9/5 SC 2.3 and has also owned a 1990 9000 Turbo and a couple of 900s.

My SAAB has the following specifications:

Engine: 1..9 TiD, diesel, 150 hp, 320 Nm
Gearbox: Manual 6-speed
Equipment level: Vector Active. I think this equipment level is not available on all markets but it is basically the Vector + some extras
Color: Jet Black
Wheels: Alloy wheel 5-spoke Y 17×7″ called ALU 45 in Sweden

Volvo Saab

I had decided to not by a petrol car, and ethanol was never an option despite a lot of advantages with taxes etc here in Sweden, but I am sorry to say that I don’t believe in it when it is produced in the way it is today and also because of the fuel consumption itself. My friend’s 9-5 SC + caravan consumed 18 l/100 km this summer.

So, time for diesel.

Of course I considered the 180 hp TTiD version but I didn’t have time to first wait a couple of months to get a test drive, and then wait for the delivery. I heard from the dealer this week that they expected the TTiD to arrive sometime late December. Another reason was that I thought it was time to grow up and ask myself if it was worth another 1300 € and if I really needed the extra power. After a test drive with the TiD I came to the conclusion that this engine was fully enough for me. (My Volvo V50 T5 was equipped with a 220 hp engine so there should be a big difference). If life gets too boring, it is good to know that my hometown is the same as BSR’s and that their upgrade to 184 Hp/412 Nm costs 850 €.

So I picked up my new SAAB 4 days ago. I was a little nervous about the wheels because I had only seen them in pictures before, but they were just as nice as I hoped for (grown up??).

So far I have noticed the following:

- It is a real SAAB, it feels like coming home.

- The SAAB feels larger than the Volvo in almost all aspects

- The Volvo seats are very good but the SAAB seats are better! They are slightly bigger, have better support for the upper part of your back and are not as hard as the Volvo seats.

- The Volvo interior is more minimalistic or more “Scandinavian design” compared to the SAAB. Minimalistic is also the keyword when describing the space available for mobile, wallet or whatever you need to put somewhere in the Volvo. The SAAB interior is much more cozy and “warm”. There are no big differences in material quality in the interior but Volvo feels slightly better. I don’t like the tachometer in the SAAB, it feels very cheap and un-exact and please bring back the progressive speedometer

- The Volvo is more of a sport car than the SAAB with quicker responses, harder suspension but also “bumpier” and un-comfortable. The SAAB handling is very good but feels slower and more comfort oriented. The SAAB is very silent compared to the Volvo. The differences in noise and comfort are something you notice all the time especially on the sometime bad roads around my hometown.

- It is hard to compare the engines. They are two very different machines. The T5 engine is very powerful and flexible. I doesn’t matter which gear you use, the power is always there. The SAAB diesel engine is a little bit weak at low rpm but then it is very strong and powerful. You have to drive this car in another way, a little bit like the old turbos. I like the engine very much and once again it is very comfortable and quiet with just a little more than 1500 rpm in 90 km/h.

Conclusion so far:

I am very satisfied with my new car and I don’t miss the Volvo at all. Despite the fact that the both cars are of similar size, almost the same price, produced by Swedish manufacturers owned by American companies etc, the cars are very different. Much more different then I would expect.

In my case it is an easy choice; I would chose the SAAB before the Volvo 9 times out of 10.

Saab 9-3 SportCombi

Saab 9-3 Interior