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January 13th, 2009 · 13 Comments



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Thanks to all of those who kept everyone so up to date while I was sleeping. These time zones can be a monumental PITA, but that’s how it is, I guess.

A summary of the day’s events, then:

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It’s quite clear that the Swedish government will not take an ownership stake in Saab. What’s still unclear is the level to which they’ll support manufacturing and the way Saab might look if things are to continue on into the future.

Carl-Peter Forster:

“If we have an autonomous or quasi-autonomous company [that is] well funded, the pressure to sell it is not that evident,” Foster said, adding that “all options are on the table.”

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Most of the talk today seemed to be about this potential heightened state of autonomy, a situation that would be absolutely ideal for creating conditions where Saab could actually start to really develop.

While Saab Automobile Managing Director Jan-Åke Jonsson, who SvD meets in the Saab stand, confirmed that Saab is now distancing itself from GM – after all these years of strugge to integrate wihtin GM.

- It also means that we have greater autonomy, he says.

Jan-Åke Jonsson mentions that Tata Motors, which in March bought the Jaguar and Land Rover by Ford, were then forced to write more than 60 service contracts with Ford on various partnerships.

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Most of the really interesting news is coming from Sweden rather than from Detroit:

The government is now negotiating with General Motors on a total restoration of Saab Automobile. If pre -negotiations go well, the Swedish Government prepared to inject 28 billion SEK to the crisis in the automobile industry.

The requirement for car manufacturers to get the money is that money stays in Sweden, and that profit plans are presented and the companies announce any sales.

According to Swedish News (Rapport) Saab, which currently has the greatest need for
money, wants all development for new car models in Sweden.

Also Saab wants to produce a convertible model and the new 9-5 in Trollhattan, which today are made in Austria and the new model of 9-5, to be produced in Germany.

- “Saab could meet the requirements for rescue loan in connection with the restructuring,” said Secretary of State Jöran Hägglund.

GM is prepared to inject money to a reorganization of Saab Automobile in exchange for the Swedish Government money support

Now that’s a scenario I’d like to see!

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More from the Swedish press and not in comments. This one’s from CTM,

GM and Ford promises government full transparency

The Swedish government was a welcome guest at the auto show in Detroit. “A completely different humility than we saw a year ago,” said Jöran Hägglund, State Secretary to the Minister for Enterprise and Energy, after having met the top management of the US car manufacturers who owns Saab and Volvo.

But then he brought a bag of SEK 28 billion to the negotiations.

“Money talks,” as Jöran Hägglund said at an international press conference.

The Swedish government is prepared to support the Swedish automotive industry. But like the U.S. government, it requires that the money must stay in its own country and that the companies must show that they have a viable future.

Jöran Hägglund was satisfied with the discussions he had with the top management of Ford and Volvo, and General Motors and Saab Automobile.

- “They have promised us a direct and precise information on the review carried out on the two companies. If they advance to the next step and start a selling process, then we will be fully informed about it,” he told TT.

That was one of the things he wanted to sort out during the meetings.

- “Shall we enter some sort of cooperation, we must know what happens in long term,” he says.

Both Swedish car manufacturers are discussing projects worth several billion in loans from European Investment Bank (EIB) and guaranteed by the Swedish government. According to Jöran Hägglund, Volvo has come further along than the Saab with its wish list – this despite the fact that Saab is more trouble.

- “Two months from now, there must be some sort of formal agreement on the package,” says Saab Jan Åke Jonsson.

Jöran Hägglund do not want to give any timetable, other than that applications to the EIB must be submitted in early March.

- “Saab’s dilemma is the level of integration with GM. It makes everything more complicated. But Saab is moving in the right direction, so we believe it is worth continuing the discussions.”

GM management is clear. Without money from the Swedish government, Saab’s future is uncertain. The problem is that neither of the two new models that are planned for the coming year are to be built in Sweden. Only the Saab 9-3 will be built in Trollhättan. It is unclear when the current model may have a successor. Jöran Hägglund confirms that some of the projects in which the Swedish aid money can be used is related to the new 9-3.

Volvo Cars can prove more easily than Saab that the aid money does not disappear to the American owners.

- “Our cash flow is presented each quarter. It is possible to see that the money stays in Sweden,” says Stephen Odell, CEO Volvo Cars.

Jöran Hägglund think that the atmosphere at the meetings have been good.

- “But I can not fail to note that when the operation goes well they turn themselves with pleasure to the shareholders, and when it goes bad they turn themselves to the taxpayers,” he says.

Tags: Saab News

13 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Kurt W. KraussNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 9:48 am

    I thought there was going to be a joint press conference with GM-Saab-Swedish government today. Did this take place? Did I misunderstand?

  • 2 MarkacNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I think Saab still had a direction when it was only half owned by GM. Since GM bought the rest of it, things have become increasingly muddled and cloudy. An autonmous or semi autonomous Saab still requires someone else to preferably take a controlling interest in the company. It’s level of integration with GM makes things difficult, but with the likely disintegration of GM as it currently exists, a resonably high degree of separation needs to be achieved.

  • 3 KarenNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Today, I saw the trailer for April 24 release of The Soloist, based on true story 2005 Los Angeles, starring Robert Downey Jr and Jamie Foxx, directed by Joe Wright (Atonement), one of the ten most anticipated movies of 2009.

    Downey’s character drives a Saab 9-3 – it was in the trailer, have no idea how big of a role his Saab has, but, what I saw was full frontal, in champagne.

    Every little bit helps. Trailer was before Gran Torino, a film which should insure Ford’s future. Even I want a Ford pick-up now.

    lot to catch up on here, but have to believe the Swedes will make this work. WITH THE U.S. market, just need to get Saab out of those Chevy and Cadillac dealers.

  • 4 swadeNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Kurt, that’s what Dagens Nhyeter said. There’s been plenty of press activity, but no announcement via a press conference. No guarantee that there will be either as this is a long process, but the amount of dialog and disclosure to the press has been encouraging.

  • 5 Andy RupertNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 10:40 am

    This gets more and more interesting…

  • 6 Robin MNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Karen, I saw the same model 9-3 in “Bed Time Stories” the other week, driven by a the hotel manager. :-)

  • 7 MitchbSCNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Will Saab get their power train engineering resources restored? Or, will GM spin Saab eviscerated of their capability to execute on leading edge technology?

  • 8 Kurt W. KraussNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Well, I have to believe that this is a game of chicken and whoever blinks first loses. I really don’t believe that the Swedish government is going to allow either Saab or Volvo to slip away. GM is playing a game – but Lutz does not seem to be helping things, for sure.
    On an unrelated note, I bought new snow tires for my 9-5 Combi over the weekend from my friends from Reinersen Motors and what a difference those Gislaved Nordic 5s make!! Who needs XWD? Just kidding, but they do make quite a difference over the Goodyear snows that I bought used last year.

  • 9 RichoNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 11:35 am

    That’s only 5 bil AUD… to prop up the entire auto manufacturing sector in Sweden…. doesn’t seem like much.

  • 10 BaRaNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    @Richo: It’s not much, but Saab’s overhead is smaller than GM’s. For starters, they don’t have private jet planes ;-)

  • 11 ctmNo Gravatar // Jan 13, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Kurt W. Krauss,

    Good choice on the Gislaved. They always get top marks together with Nokian for winter tires. Continental bought and later (in 2002 I think) closed the Gislaved factory, but still use the brand name and the know-how they got.

  • 12 Kurt W. KraussNo Gravatar // Jan 14, 2009 at 12:22 am

    CTM – thanks on the tires. Years ago, I ran Hakkapeliittas on my 99s and never got stuck. There was something about that unassisted steering and engine/transmission right over the front wheels (probably 60/40 weight distribution) combined with those snows which made those Saabs unstoppable. I am getting the same feeling from these new Gislaved/Conti tires. Of course the 9-5 is easier to steer!

  • 13 ctmNo Gravatar // Jan 14, 2009 at 2:51 am

    Kurt W. Krauss,

    Yeah, the 99 never got stuck. It was like driving a tank through the snow. :) I remember putting on the studded tires in December every year. All of a sudden it was like having power steering on the 99. And then in March when they came off, the steering was twice as heavy again and I almost went off the road the first few corners… :)