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	<title>Comments on: Two games in play for Saab</title>
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	<description>Saab 9-1, 9-3, 9-4x, 9-5, 9-7x News</description>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/two-games-in-play-for-saab.html#comment-58140</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Are the 9-5 and 9-4X REALLY that safe considering what is going on here?&lt;/strong&gt;

Well, according to the email by Carl-Peter Forster:

&lt;em&gt;In the next 12 to 18 months, Saab is planned to launch multiple new products. Those products remain in the product portfolio today and we expect to go forward with the launches as recently announced with a 9-5 sedan toward the end of 2009 and the 9-4X in mid-2010. We will of course keep you closely informed.&lt;/em&gt;

So, unless they run out of money, it seems like they stick to these new launches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Are the 9-5 and 9-4X REALLY that safe considering what is going on here?</strong></p>
<p>Well, according to the email by Carl-Peter Forster:</p>
<p><em>In the next 12 to 18 months, Saab is planned to launch multiple new products. Those products remain in the product portfolio today and we expect to go forward with the launches as recently announced with a 9-5 sedan toward the end of 2009 and the 9-4X in mid-2010. We will of course keep you closely informed.</em></p>
<p>So, unless they run out of money, it seems like they stick to these new launches.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/two-games-in-play-for-saab.html#comment-58138</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone edited this web site ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone edited this web site ??</p>
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		<title>By: saab9x</title>
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		<dc:creator>saab9x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the scrutiny for the proposed auto &quot;loan&quot; (bailout)  is merely an adjustment to the &quot;guvmint&#039;s&quot; gaffe  for the financial-industry&#039;s loan/bailout, in terms of oversight, or lack thereof.

and in terms of gm&#039;s options, i think 100% ownership of saab, or at least a controlling-interest stake, should be the focus.  if gm chooses to liquidate saab,  a) it loses the potential to recoup its investment, especially on the cusp of a new-product offensive--making the lost investment all the more poignant; and b) its thrust into the european market will become stunted, or at least more awkward, at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the scrutiny for the proposed auto &#8220;loan&#8221; (bailout)  is merely an adjustment to the &#8220;guvmint&#8217;s&#8221; gaffe  for the financial-industry&#8217;s loan/bailout, in terms of oversight, or lack thereof.</p>
<p>and in terms of gm&#8217;s options, i think 100% ownership of saab, or at least a controlling-interest stake, should be the focus.  if gm chooses to liquidate saab,  a) it loses the potential to recoup its investment, especially on the cusp of a new-product offensive&#8211;making the lost investment all the more poignant; and b) its thrust into the european market will become stunted, or at least more awkward, at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zippy:  Any possible buyer of Saab is unlikely to want to accept two cars built in other GM factories.
I suggest GM will do a deal to supply the new 9-5, but because of it&#039;s longer lead time and smaller market potential, I&#039;m guessing the 9-4x will not appear as a Saab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zippy:  Any possible buyer of Saab is unlikely to want to accept two cars built in other GM factories.<br />
I suggest GM will do a deal to supply the new 9-5, but because of it&#8217;s longer lead time and smaller market potential, I&#8217;m guessing the 9-4x will not appear as a Saab.</p>
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		<title>By: zippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>zippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the 9-5 and 9-4X REALLY that safe considering what is going on here? 

I just wish Saab would give the world a look at what I am sure is going to be a stunning 9-5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the 9-5 and 9-4X REALLY that safe considering what is going on here? </p>
<p>I just wish Saab would give the world a look at what I am sure is going to be a stunning 9-5.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did some posts 
vanish????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did some posts<br />
vanish????</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markac - I agree, and whoever calls the shots needs to have an understanding of Saab (in terms of it&#039;s design philosophies) if the company is going to survive. Saab&#039;s product strategy was correct in the first place and was derailed by GM&#039;s homogenization process (and SUV obsession) back in 2001. Despite their current predicament and pressure from the US congress to produce more fuel-efficient cars, I don&#039;t believe GM will ever comprehend or embrace the basic tenets of Saab&#039;s design philosophy. Efficiency and forward thinking engine technologies  are a part of Saab design, but Saab always managed to wrap fuel-efficiency, the highest levels of safety, excellent road holding, and huge cargo hauling capacity in a car with gobs of personality (totally preaching to the choir here I know). I&#039;m worried for Saab in any event, but I&#039;m hoping GM will have to relinquish (at least some of) it&#039;s control over Saab. I don&#039;t pretend to know what the best solution is, but GM deserves a swift kick in it&#039;s collective posterior for the opportunity it squandered with Saab!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markac &#8211; I agree, and whoever calls the shots needs to have an understanding of Saab (in terms of it&#8217;s design philosophies) if the company is going to survive. Saab&#8217;s product strategy was correct in the first place and was derailed by GM&#8217;s homogenization process (and SUV obsession) back in 2001. Despite their current predicament and pressure from the US congress to produce more fuel-efficient cars, I don&#8217;t believe GM will ever comprehend or embrace the basic tenets of Saab&#8217;s design philosophy. Efficiency and forward thinking engine technologies  are a part of Saab design, but Saab always managed to wrap fuel-efficiency, the highest levels of safety, excellent road holding, and huge cargo hauling capacity in a car with gobs of personality (totally preaching to the choir here I know). I&#8217;m worried for Saab in any event, but I&#8217;m hoping GM will have to relinquish (at least some of) it&#8217;s control over Saab. I don&#8217;t pretend to know what the best solution is, but GM deserves a swift kick in it&#8217;s collective posterior for the opportunity it squandered with Saab!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me first say that I love old AND new SAABs. I have a 1990 900 SPG and a 2004 9-5 Arc wagon.

My question in reaction to this post is this --

I understand that SAAB fans are excited about the new 9-5 and 9-4X, but does anyone think that there will be enough excitement in these two models to woo anyone away from other makes?

I know the 9-7X outsells the 9-5, and I can&#039;t remember if it outsells the 9-3, but will the fact that SAAB now has a smaller crossover and a new executive car save the company?

Will it buy enough time for SAAB to actually put the biohybrid and air concepts on the road? How much more R&amp;D needs to be done to get that to happen?

In order for SAAB to survive past this hanging-on stage, it&#039;s going to have to be allowed to put some innovative product on the road that will actually PULL PEOPLE AWAY from other models, not just satisfy those who already know what SAAB is.

How difficult can this be? Why is it that SAAB sells fewer cars than just about any manufacturer in the world? If it creates some innovative product instead of just offering a &quot;new&quot; executive car and crossover, there can be no where but UP for this company.

But will it have the chance to do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me first say that I love old AND new SAABs. I have a 1990 900 SPG and a 2004 9-5 Arc wagon.</p>
<p>My question in reaction to this post is this &#8211;</p>
<p>I understand that SAAB fans are excited about the new 9-5 and 9-4X, but does anyone think that there will be enough excitement in these two models to woo anyone away from other makes?</p>
<p>I know the 9-7X outsells the 9-5, and I can&#8217;t remember if it outsells the 9-3, but will the fact that SAAB now has a smaller crossover and a new executive car save the company?</p>
<p>Will it buy enough time for SAAB to actually put the biohybrid and air concepts on the road? How much more R&amp;D needs to be done to get that to happen?</p>
<p>In order for SAAB to survive past this hanging-on stage, it&#8217;s going to have to be allowed to put some innovative product on the road that will actually PULL PEOPLE AWAY from other models, not just satisfy those who already know what SAAB is.</p>
<p>How difficult can this be? Why is it that SAAB sells fewer cars than just about any manufacturer in the world? If it creates some innovative product instead of just offering a &#8220;new&#8221; executive car and crossover, there can be no where but UP for this company.</p>
<p>But will it have the chance to do this?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does sound as though GM Europe is beginning to see that they had better get their finances in order as GMNA is most likely not going to be passing on any (if any) of the cash that Congress doles out.  And it looks as though Congress is going to play the protectionist game with their money for these three companies that have global operations.

Reading between the lines of Swade&#039;s most recent interview with Eric Geers yesterday, it certainly does sound like GM Europe realizes that they may be somewhat on their own once Congress makes a decision - one way or the other.  And this may be the best thing for Saab in the long run - if European governments can agree that some kind of stimulus and shared financial support should be made available in the short term. 

Wagonner has just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081205/OPINION03/812050390&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;admitted&lt;/a&gt; in Congress today that Chapter 11 may be an option.  So things are looking quite grim in Detroit at the moment - particularly with GM.  The sooner GM Europe and Saab itself secures some finances for continued operations and to get 9-4X, 9-5 and 9-3x into production - the better it will be for our favourite little brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does sound as though GM Europe is beginning to see that they had better get their finances in order as GMNA is most likely not going to be passing on any (if any) of the cash that Congress doles out.  And it looks as though Congress is going to play the protectionist game with their money for these three companies that have global operations.</p>
<p>Reading between the lines of Swade&#8217;s most recent interview with Eric Geers yesterday, it certainly does sound like GM Europe realizes that they may be somewhat on their own once Congress makes a decision &#8211; one way or the other.  And this may be the best thing for Saab in the long run &#8211; if European governments can agree that some kind of stimulus and shared financial support should be made available in the short term. </p>
<p>Wagonner has just <a href="http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081205/OPINION03/812050390" rel="nofollow">admitted</a> in Congress today that Chapter 11 may be an option.  So things are looking quite grim in Detroit at the moment &#8211; particularly with GM.  The sooner GM Europe and Saab itself secures some finances for continued operations and to get 9-4X, 9-5 and 9-3x into production &#8211; the better it will be for our favourite little brand.</p>
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		<title>By: jacek</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when I hear about bailout of big tree I just want to xxxxxxxxx , read this : http://bigthreeauto.procon.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I hear about bailout of big tree I just want to xxxxxxxxx , read this : <a href="http://bigthreeauto.procon.org/" rel="nofollow">http://bigthreeauto.procon.org/</a></p>
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