Comments on: The headlines as they appear http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html Saab 9-1, 9-3, 9-4x, 9-5, 9-7x News Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mr Bear http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57765 Mr Bear Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:46:06 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57765 Re. How many saab owners would really put up money to purchase SAAB from GM? I would put a bit into buying shares, imagine a revitalised SAAB, owned by enthusiasts, based and made in Sweden but having its customers and owners all putting in design ideas. Less fat four door saloons and more real drivers cars. It would take a huge leap of confidence from a great many people but I believe it could be done. Perhaps the Swedish government could help set the ball rolling? Re. How many saab owners would really put up money to purchase SAAB from GM?

I would put a bit into buying shares, imagine a revitalised SAAB, owned by enthusiasts, based and made in Sweden but having its customers and owners all putting in design ideas. Less fat four door saloons and more real drivers cars. It would take a huge leap of confidence from a great many people but I believe it could be done. Perhaps the Swedish government could help set the ball rolling?

]]> By: Nate 9-3 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57757 Nate 9-3 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:26:04 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57757 Does anyone else feel sick about being lied to by GM and SAAB? We have been told for months that SAAB has not been for sale when that has not been the case. <b><i>I think that GM never thought it would come to this. GM needs the 9-5 and the 9-4x to reduce their dependency on trucks. They ran out of time. EnG</i></b> Does anyone else feel sick about being lied to by GM and SAAB? We have been told for months that SAAB has not been for sale when that has not been the case.

I think that GM never thought it would come to this. GM needs the 9-5 and the 9-4x to reduce their dependency on trucks. They ran out of time. EnG

]]> By: eggsngrits http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57631 eggsngrits Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:55:20 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57631 GPG: I think that you'd have to be willing to re-start Saab from scratch if you went independent. There are too many ties into GM for Saab to survive without a complete change in every aspect of the company. You may as well close the company and then buy the name and assets. GPG: I think that you’d have to be willing to re-start Saab from scratch if you went independent. There are too many ties into GM for Saab to survive without a complete change in every aspect of the company. You may as well close the company and then buy the name and assets.

]]> By: gpg http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57610 gpg Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:16:37 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57610 How many saab owners would really put up money to purchase SAAB from GM? How many saab owners would really put up money to purchase SAAB from GM?

]]> By: Jörgen Trued http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57609 Jörgen Trued Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:06:02 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57609 As a conservative swede I disagree with the primeminister. If worse case scenario develops government should act as owners for a limited time. As a conservative swede I disagree with the primeminister.
If worse case scenario develops government should act as owners for a limited time.

]]> By: eggsngrits http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57607 eggsngrits Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:52:25 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57607 The UAW, always there when you need them most. The problem is that you need them to be smart and they are usually greedy. Concessions? Are you kidding me? It's like they're negotiating with an adversary! They simply do not understand the reality of competing with Honda, Toyota and Nissan. About the American vs. Swedish way of doing business.... that's what got Saab and Volvo into GM and Ford respectively. The Swedes had their crises in the early 1990's, ours have come around today. We all have our struggles from time to time. Learn from each other. That's the key. The UAW, always there when you need them most. The problem is that you need them to be smart and they are usually greedy. Concessions? Are you kidding me? It’s like they’re negotiating with an adversary! They simply do not understand the reality of competing with Honda, Toyota and Nissan.

About the American vs. Swedish way of doing business…. that’s what got Saab and Volvo into GM and Ford respectively. The Swedes had their crises in the early 1990′s, ours have come around today.

We all have our struggles from time to time. Learn from each other. That’s the key.

]]> By: ctm http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57606 ctm Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:47:30 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57606 According to a spokes person at GM Europe, GM could hold on to their plans until midnight EST (6 AM CET). He believes that they will make it public through a press release at the same time as they hand over it to the Congress. According to a spokes person at GM Europe, GM could hold on to their plans until midnight EST (6 AM CET). He believes that they will make it public through a press release at the same time as they hand over it to the Congress.

]]> By: ctm http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57605 ctm Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:44:19 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57605 <em></em><em>"JÅJ is a good man, but I get a feeling that he sometimes is a marionette for the big boys…"</em> What should he be? Saab has been making looses for every year since 1988 (except for 94, if I remeber correctly). No money, no power. You think Saab could start develop their own platforms, engines, gearboxes, etc. with a sale of 100,000 cars per year when they not even make a profit and hasn't done so for years and years? Yeah right... Maybe if they double the price tag on their cars, but somehow I don't feel that gonna do it for them. The problem with Saab pre-JAJ was probably that they were <strong>not</strong> playing by the GM rules and were <strong>not</strong> very keen on cooperating and integrating. That's why it took until 2005 before GM wanted to invest in them again. As for Investor... If you look at their portfolio today, they are more into other areas. And look at how they handled Scania. A very solid and strong company that should had been the one that bought Man or VW trucks. Instead, they sold out, showing lack of power, knowledge, and guts. They have just lost it. They deal with banking and IT these days, and should stay there. “JÅJ is a good man, but I get a feeling that he sometimes is a marionette for the big boys…”

What should he be? Saab has been making looses for every year since 1988 (except for 94, if I remeber correctly). No money, no power. You think Saab could start develop their own platforms, engines, gearboxes, etc. with a sale of 100,000 cars per year when they not even make a profit and hasn’t done so for years and years? Yeah right… Maybe if they double the price tag on their cars, but somehow I don’t feel that gonna do it for them. The problem with Saab pre-JAJ was probably that they were not playing by the GM rules and were not very keen on cooperating and integrating. That’s why it took until 2005 before GM wanted to invest in them again.

As for Investor… If you look at their portfolio today, they are more into other areas. And look at how they handled Scania. A very solid and strong company that should had been the one that bought Man or VW trucks. Instead, they sold out, showing lack of power, knowledge, and guts. They have just lost it. They deal with banking and IT these days, and should stay there.

]]> By: Mats http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57604 Mats Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:42:28 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57604 "Sorry if I offended you JÅJ.. But could you please be a tad more angry with those who pees on Saab.. Namely GM" Why? at least now he's in a position to have some sort of swedish influence. If he's replaced by an american puppet that's placed in Sweden as a punishment for screwing up something else things would be a whole lot worse! “Sorry if I offended you JÅJ.. But could you please be a tad more angry with those who pees on Saab.. Namely GM”

Why? at least now he’s in a position to have some sort of swedish influence. If he’s replaced by an american puppet that’s placed in Sweden as a punishment for screwing up something else things would be a whole lot worse!

]]> By: TuuSaR http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/12/the-headlines-as-they-appear.html#comment-57603 TuuSaR Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:41:06 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/?p=10809#comment-57603 "nobody wants to buy saab" If price meets demand then it will be sold. “nobody wants to buy saab”

If price meets demand then it will be sold.

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