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December 2nd, 2008 · 19 Comments



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First of all let’s take a deep breath…….

Better?

GM are going to submit their plans for the future to the US congress today and every news service in the world is writing up its thoughts as to what’s going to happen. One thing I’m not sure of at this point is whether or not the public section of those documents will be made available straight away, or whether we’ll have to wait until the hearings later this week.

I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

I’m going to present those reports here in the order that I find them. No opinions or conflicts with other stories, just a quote and a link. The newest will be at the top. I’ll keep posting them for as long as I’m awake. Keep checking back.

And in case you don’t notice, there’s a definite trend as to what they’re predicting with regard to Saab.

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NY Times via the Dallas Morning News:

For the Detroit Three automakers to win over Washington lawmakers in their bid for federal aid, they will have to address a key question in the business plans they present Congress with today.

Just how serious are they about shrinking their vast lineups of brands and models to match the harsh reality of the market?

All told, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler sell 112 car and truck models through 15 brands in the United States.

By contrast, the top three Japanese automakers – Toyota, Honda and Nissan – have roughly half as many choices, with 58 models sold through seven brands.

Shutting down a brand is a complicated, costly effort that requires buying out dealers protected by state franchise laws, as well as scaling back vehicle production.

Shrinking dealer networks may be a key component of the business plans that GM, Ford and Chrysler will present in an effort to show that they have viable, long-term strategies.

GM, for example, has about 6,700 dealers in the United States, compared with 1,200 for Toyota.

A thorny question, for GM in particular, is whether it can cut the number of dealers without incurring huge expenses to buy them out.


Edmunds (not bailout, but relevant, covering incentives in November):

Comparing all brands, in November MINI spent the least at $79 followed by Scion at $195 per vehicle sold. At the other end of the spectrum, Infiniti spent the most, $5,015, followed by SAAB at $4,860 per vehicle sold. Relative to their vehicle prices, Mercury and Kia spent the most, 15.4 percent and 13.9 percent of sticker price, respectively; while MINI spent just 0.4 and Scion spent 1.2 percent.

EnG here….From CNN:

Local United Auto Workers leaders from across the country will hold an emergency meeting in Detroit on Wednesday to discuss concessions the union could make to help auto companies get government loans.

UAW leaders called the meeting Monday night in an e-mail, obtained by The Associated Press, to local union presidents and bargaining chairmen.

Presidents from union locals for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC will attend the meeting, according to the e-mail. A separate meeting for GM union officials will follow.

Spiegel:

“Lots of auto firms have been selling the wrong kinds of cars,” Swedish Prime Minister Frederik Reinfeldt said last week. “When someone thinks the state should come in and fix the situation, then I think they’re crazy.”

Trading Markets:

Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (Group) (SAIC) was reported to participate in the merger with General Motors (GM), which is on the verge of bankruptcy now, but the Chinese automaker gave a denial immediately…..

….experts forecasted that GM was likely to sell part of its assets in the near future, attracting several Chinese peers.

Wall St Journal:

…..vehicle sales in November are expected to come in at an annualized pace of just shy of 11 million vehicles, according to Barclays Capital, a slight improvement from October’s depressed rate of 10.6 million. That rate would be five million vehicles below the year-ago seasonally adjusted annualized rate of 16.1 million. All auto makers, including even normally recession-resistant luxury brands such as Mercedes-Benz and BMW AG, are expected to post big declines, with the Detroit three suffering drops of 30% or more, according to analyst estimates.

The dire news, however, could help the Big Three make their case in Washington for federal aid. Big declines for stronger rivals like BMW, Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. would support Detroit’s argument that the financial crisis is a major cause of trouble across the auto industry, and that GM, Ford and Chrysler just need a “bridge loan” to help them hang on until the economy improves.

Forbes:

…..judges cannot make workers accept lower wages and they cannot order customers into the showroom. A GM bankruptcy could drag down hundreds of suppliers and redouble existing worries about whether warranties will be honored.

GM’s crisis is so dire that the company might well be able to achieve significant concessions without having to file for bankruptcy. This assumes, however, that management sheds its business-as-usual mentality.

Globe and Mail:

The most radical surgery is expected at GM, analysts said yesterday. It could include the end of the line for Pontiac, Saab and perhaps Saturn.

One industry observer suggested that Saab is almost certain to go, given that its sales are poor and it is not a core GM brand.

BNET:

Pushed by the same market forces, the car companies tend to move in a pack. Ford and GM bulked up on acquisitions in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and now they’re shedding those acquisitions. With GM fighting for its life, can it afford to keep hanging onto Saab for a rainy day?

The Straits Times:

STOCKHOLM – THE Swedish government has ruled out a takeover of the country’s beleaguered automaker Volvo Cars if its owner, US group Ford, decides to sell it, daily Dagens Nyheter reported on Tuesday.

‘It’s not in our industrial policy to own carmakers and we will not jeopardise taxpayers’ money,’ Enterprise and Energy Minister Maud Olofsson told Sweden’s newspaper of reference on the sidelines of a meeting in Brussels.

The centre-right government has on the contrary pursued a policy of selling state assets since it came to power in 2006.

‘We need to look at what the government can do without jeopardising taxpayers’ money,’ she added.

Among possible buyers seen for Volvo are Germany’s BMW and France’s Renault.

‘But selling car companies in the midst of this financial crisis is hard,’ Ms Olofsson acknowledged.

Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt recalled that Volvo and Sweden’s other carmaker Saab, owned by General Motors, have appealed to the government for various forms of state aid.

‘We are not an emergency bank where companies can get money when things take a turn for the worse. That would just be a misappropriation of taxpayers’ money,’ he told Dagens Nyheter.

Associated Press:

GM will outline efforts to negotiate swapping some of the company’s debt for equity stakes in the automaker, either shares or warrants for them, said two people briefed on the company’s plan.

With eight separate brands, GM will also discuss efforts to shed brands but it would prefer to sell them instead of shutting down Pontiac, Saturn or Saab, said one of the people briefed on the plan. Killing off brands, like GM did with Oldsmobile in 2004, would require cash the company doesn’t have, the person said. The people briefed on GM’s preparations didn’t want to be identified because the plan hadn’t been completed.

Financial Post (Canada):

FordMotorCo. and GeneralMotors Corp. could dump their Swedish brands as the Detroit companies press U. S. and Canadian lawmakers for emergency aid that may hinge on keeping jobs in North America.

Ford said yesterday it is weighing whether to sell Volvo Cars, its Swedish luxury unit. A person close to GM confirmed the company is reviewing whether to sell or drop at least three brands, including Saab Automobile AB.

Los Angeles Times:

But saying a brand is for sale and actually selling it are two different things, said Robert Schulz, an auto industry analyst for Standard & Poor’s. With lending for corporate acquisitions all but frozen, there may be few takers for even a prestige marque such as Volvo.

“There’s no obvious candidate to offload these assets to,” Schulz said.

Detroit News:

The business plans GM, Ford and Chrysler have prepared for Congress include seeking additional givebacks from the UAW as one way to cut costs, according to sources with knowledge of the plans.

A person familiar with one automaker’s plan said a variety of topics are being explored. Key issues include reopening the contract, eliminating the controversial jobs bank that still pays workers even when they are laid off, and how much and how quickly the automakers will contribute to a trust fund to be run by the UAW that will take over responsibility for retiree health care beginning in 2010.

Business Week:

GM is trying to work out a sale of Saab, BusinessWeek has learned. For several months, GM has been shopping the brand to Chinese, Indian, and Russian carmakers, as well as to the Swedish government, sources familiar with the talks said. Saab Managing Director Jan Ake Jonsson and GM-Europe President Carl-Peter Forster have been leading the efforts to find a buyer, or at least get someone to take the company off GM’s hands.

Bloomberg:

In GM’s case, the Detroit-based automaker needs to shed brands including Buick, Pontiac, Saab and Saturn as it no longer can afford to keep developing products for each, Noble said. People familiar with GM’s plans said the automaker has studied shedding Saab, Saturn and Pontiac. Hummer is already for sale.

Tags: Saab 9-5 · Saab News

19 responses so far ↓

  • 1 van god losNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    I just read that the link between saturn and opel will be cut. No more new satopels. In the USA, the opel models – at least the insignia – will be sold under the name buick (which apparanetly is quite popular in China …).

    With no new models in the pipeline, it is very likely that saturn will be put to sleep.

  • 2 TompaNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Well, I have not got anything to say in negative terms when it comes to the American public.. But for the american way of doing business.. We are living in the 21´st century!!!

    If somebody at Investor AB (Former owner of Saab Automobile) read this.. Make an offer for Saab, and then make a business agreement with GM for floorpans etc and start producing cars the SWEDISH way again!!! Maybe Volvo AB should consider a similar strategy?

    /Tom

  • 3 MarkoANo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    “If somebody at Investor AB (Former owner of Saab Automobile) read this.. Make an offer for Saab, and then make a business agreement with GM for floorpans etc and start producing cars the SWEDISH way again!!! Maybe Volvo AB should consider a similar strategy?”

    I´ll second that. Swedish way is the key. Now the cars are made US customers as a main target. Cars do not sell. Just make them Swedish and everybody loves them.

  • 4 ctmNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Please, not Investor again! They are the very company that almost killed Saab once. I go for Toyota or Honda. The best one would be Porsche, but they don’t need more brands after buying VW.

  • 5 van god losNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    It’s clear that everyone is predicting that GM will (wants to) get rid of Saab. I do believe that GM would love to sell Saab but there’s only one problem : nobody wants to buy saab …

    Just killing off Saab would just cost money. Plus, the new 9-5 is (as good as) ready for introduction and production.

    I think that GM – because of the lack of interest for saab – is doomed to keep Saab and make the best out of it …

  • 6 ctmNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Head of the workers union at the Trollhättan plant criticize the Swedish government.

    “…I think that GM would have wanted to keep Saab, but pressure from the Congress to make decisions could have forced them get rid of it…”

    “No matter what happens, we need help like the rest of the European auto industry.” He points out that guarantees are more or less decided for other European brands.

    He feels like The Minister in charge “…hasn’t been understanding the recent negotiations/discussions…”

    “I think we will get help, but right now it just ’sounds strange’.”

  • 7 theowlNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    @ tompa – I’m American, and I agree with you 100 percent. If I wanted an American car, I have many choices. However, I want a Swedish one. I sure wish Saab would offer one, and – under Swedish ownership – I think the chances are greater that they will.

  • 8 TompaNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    CTM my fellow countryman. Why the h wouldn´t Investor be a brilliant owner? It´s not 1992 and P Wallenberg at the helm. he did alot of good for Investor, but liked to get to involved in every aspect of the company. Investor is ready for Saab Auto again and this time with two new vehicles + more at “free of charge rate”. Employ somebody more charismatic than JÅJ as Managing director, but one that has the same skills. JÅJ is a good man, but I get a feeling that he sometimes is a marionette for the big boys…

    Sorry if I offended you JÅJ.. But could you please be a tad more angry with those who pees on Saab.. Namely GM

  • 9 The FopNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Hmmm. Swedish cars engineered for the US market was not a big success. Cadillacs aimed at Europe were not exactly a home run either. Wonder how that could have been avoided? Maybe someone smarter than me could sort it out…

  • 10 TuuSaRNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    “nobody wants to buy saab”

    If price meets demand then it will be sold.

  • 11 MatsNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    “Sorry if I offended you JÅJ.. But could you please be a tad more angry with those who pees on Saab.. Namely GM”

    Why? at least now he’s in a position to have some sort of swedish influence. If he’s replaced by an american puppet that’s placed in Sweden as a punishment for screwing up something else things would be a whole lot worse!

  • 12 ctmNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    “JÅJ is a good man, but I get a feeling that he sometimes is a marionette for the big boys…”

    What should he be? Saab has been making looses for every year since 1988 (except for 94, if I remeber correctly). No money, no power. You think Saab could start develop their own platforms, engines, gearboxes, etc. with a sale of 100,000 cars per year when they not even make a profit and hasn’t done so for years and years? Yeah right… Maybe if they double the price tag on their cars, but somehow I don’t feel that gonna do it for them. The problem with Saab pre-JAJ was probably that they were not playing by the GM rules and were not very keen on cooperating and integrating. That’s why it took until 2005 before GM wanted to invest in them again.

    As for Investor… If you look at their portfolio today, they are more into other areas. And look at how they handled Scania. A very solid and strong company that should had been the one that bought Man or VW trucks. Instead, they sold out, showing lack of power, knowledge, and guts. They have just lost it. They deal with banking and IT these days, and should stay there.

  • 13 ctmNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    According to a spokes person at GM Europe, GM could hold on to their plans until midnight EST (6 AM CET). He believes that they will make it public through a press release at the same time as they hand over it to the Congress.

  • 14 eggsngritsNo Gravatar // Dec 2, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    The UAW, always there when you need them most. The problem is that you need them to be smart and they are usually greedy. Concessions? Are you kidding me? It’s like they’re negotiating with an adversary! They simply do not understand the reality of competing with Honda, Toyota and Nissan.

    About the American vs. Swedish way of doing business…. that’s what got Saab and Volvo into GM and Ford respectively. The Swedes had their crises in the early 1990’s, ours have come around today.

    We all have our struggles from time to time. Learn from each other. That’s the key.

  • 15 Jörgen TruedNo Gravatar // Dec 3, 2008 at 12:06 am

    As a conservative swede I disagree with the primeminister.
    If worse case scenario develops government should act as owners for a limited time.

  • 16 gpgNo Gravatar // Dec 3, 2008 at 12:16 am

    How many saab owners would really put up money to purchase SAAB from GM?

  • 17 eggsngritsNo Gravatar // Dec 3, 2008 at 1:55 am

    GPG: I think that you’d have to be willing to re-start Saab from scratch if you went independent. There are too many ties into GM for Saab to survive without a complete change in every aspect of the company. You may as well close the company and then buy the name and assets.

  • 18 Nate 9-3No Gravatar // Dec 3, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Does anyone else feel sick about being lied to by GM and SAAB? We have been told for months that SAAB has not been for sale when that has not been the case.

    I think that GM never thought it would come to this. GM needs the 9-5 and the 9-4x to reduce their dependency on trucks. They ran out of time. EnG

  • 19 Mr BearNo Gravatar // Dec 3, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Re. How many saab owners would really put up money to purchase SAAB from GM?

    I would put a bit into buying shares, imagine a revitalised SAAB, owned by enthusiasts, based and made in Sweden but having its customers and owners all putting in design ideas. Less fat four door saloons and more real drivers cars. It would take a huge leap of confidence from a great many people but I believe it could be done. Perhaps the Swedish government could help set the ball rolling?