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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s so wrong with bankruptcy for the Big Three?</title>
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		<title>By: eggsngrits</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggsngrits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM owns 100% of Opel.</description>
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		<title>By: Snotfjold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snotfjold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember that there was a split of ownership between GM and Opel on this one, does anybody know? This might have a bearing if Opel manages to jump the sinking ship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember that there was a split of ownership between GM and Opel on this one, does anybody know? This might have a bearing if Opel manages to jump the sinking ship.</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is somewhat strange to note that GM did not &lt;a href=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;accquire&lt;/a&gt; the second half of Saab until it’s option had almost expired.  At the time there were some doubts expressed tht it actually would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is somewhat strange to note that GM did not <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025" rel="nofollow">accquire</a> the second half of Saab until it’s option had almost expired.  At the time there were some doubts expressed tht it actually would.</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strangely GM did not accquire the second half of Saab until it’s option had almost expired.  The were a number doubts expressed that it actually would.

GM buys remaining 50% of Saab: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely GM did not accquire the second half of Saab until it’s option had almost expired.  The were a number doubts expressed that it actually would.</p>
<p>GM buys remaining 50% of Saab: <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the late eighties Saab-Scania&#039;s car division looked at building a new 900 on a downsized Saab 9000 platform but this did not prove to be cost effective. It lacked sufficient funds to design a new platform from scratch and it appears it was unable to arrange a deal with another manufacturer like it had done with Fiat to produce the 9000’s platform.
It took a deal with GM because it was the only deal that didn&#039;t involve selling a controlling interest in the car division.

It is deja vu to note that at the moment Saab is an a very similar position as it was when GM accquired the first half of it. It has one old car and one middle aged one. We have yet to actually see anything else.

1989 Announcenment of the sale of half of Saab: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDA173AF935A25751C1A96F948260</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the late eighties Saab-Scania&#8217;s car division looked at building a new 900 on a downsized Saab 9000 platform but this did not prove to be cost effective. It lacked sufficient funds to design a new platform from scratch and it appears it was unable to arrange a deal with another manufacturer like it had done with Fiat to produce the 9000’s platform.<br />
It took a deal with GM because it was the only deal that didn&#8217;t involve selling a controlling interest in the car division.</p>
<p>It is deja vu to note that at the moment Saab is an a very similar position as it was when GM accquired the first half of it. It has one old car and one middle aged one. We have yet to actually see anything else.</p>
<p>1989 Announcenment of the sale of half of Saab: <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDA173AF935A25751C1A96F948260" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDA173AF935A25751C1A96F948260</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think ultimately the question that needs to be answered is whether GM is worth saving thru a bailout or not. Losing it will surely wreck the U.S. economy as the entire domestic automotive plants and their tiered up group of suppliers will surely goe pear-shaped. And then there is the labor unions. So should the market dictate what happens to GM or should the central government intervene as both the current incumbent and the President-elect seems to suggest?

I personally think what is wrong with America Inc is that the whole gamut of businesses and plants is that they need to get ahead of the pack: take GM is an example. Someone said that GM can manufacture high-quality cars, but it neither makes the right kind nor markets them effectively. GM has taught us a lesson in how to effectively mess manage some of your international acquisitions. To quote from the FT - Last Word: &quot;Saab is a perfect example of a niche, much-loved brand that General Motors could have used to launch a series of clever-looking and performing vehicles. Instead, they&#039;ve left that territory wide open to Subaru to exploit.&quot; [end of quote]. Tie this up to the comments elucidated in Part III of Swade&#039;s interview with Eric Geers and everything seems to conjure images of a lost opportunity.

Ultimately, what is certainly for sure is that the current management has had their time and unfortunately, for them all, the proverbial hand-writing is on the wall: mene, mene, tekel, parsin -focusing on the Tekel part - &quot;GM has been weighed in the balances and have been found deficient.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ultimately the question that needs to be answered is whether GM is worth saving thru a bailout or not. Losing it will surely wreck the U.S. economy as the entire domestic automotive plants and their tiered up group of suppliers will surely goe pear-shaped. And then there is the labor unions. So should the market dictate what happens to GM or should the central government intervene as both the current incumbent and the President-elect seems to suggest?</p>
<p>I personally think what is wrong with America Inc is that the whole gamut of businesses and plants is that they need to get ahead of the pack: take GM is an example. Someone said that GM can manufacture high-quality cars, but it neither makes the right kind nor markets them effectively. GM has taught us a lesson in how to effectively mess manage some of your international acquisitions. To quote from the FT &#8211; Last Word: &#8220;Saab is a perfect example of a niche, much-loved brand that General Motors could have used to launch a series of clever-looking and performing vehicles. Instead, they&#8217;ve left that territory wide open to Subaru to exploit.&#8221; [end of quote]. Tie this up to the comments elucidated in Part III of Swade&#8217;s interview with Eric Geers and everything seems to conjure images of a lost opportunity.</p>
<p>Ultimately, what is certainly for sure is that the current management has had their time and unfortunately, for them all, the proverbial hand-writing is on the wall: mene, mene, tekel, parsin -focusing on the Tekel part &#8211; &#8220;GM has been weighed in the balances and have been found deficient.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the late eighties Saab looked at building a new 900 on a downsized Saab 9000 platform but this did not prove to be cost effective.  It lacked sufficient funds to design a new platform from scratch and it appears it was unable to arrange a deal with another manufacturer like it had done with Fiat to produce the 9000&#039;s platform.

Announcenment of the sale of half of Saab: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDA173AF935A25751C1A96F948260

It is interesting to note that at the moment, Saab is an a very similar position as it was when GM accquired the first half of it.  It has one old car and one middle aged one.  We have yet to actually see anything else.

It is also interesting to note that GM did not accquire the second half of Saab until it&#039;s option had almost expired.

GM buys remainder of Saab: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the late eighties Saab looked at building a new 900 on a downsized Saab 9000 platform but this did not prove to be cost effective.  It lacked sufficient funds to design a new platform from scratch and it appears it was unable to arrange a deal with another manufacturer like it had done with Fiat to produce the 9000&#8242;s platform.</p>
<p>Announcenment of the sale of half of Saab: <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDA173AF935A25751C1A96F948260" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDA173AF935A25751C1A96F948260</a></p>
<p>It is interesting to note that at the moment, Saab is an a very similar position as it was when GM accquired the first half of it.  It has one old car and one middle aged one.  We have yet to actually see anything else.</p>
<p>It is also interesting to note that GM did not accquire the second half of Saab until it&#8217;s option had almost expired.</p>
<p>GM buys remainder of Saab: <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000111/ai_n10135025</a></p>
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		<title>By: ctm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure here (just woke up...), but I think the official break up of Saab-Scania and the creation of Saab Automobile was in 1990. It was only the presentation of the deal that took place in December 1989.

Saab was very successful in the mid-eighties. But in 88-89, the situation rapidly got worse. I guess that the looming financial crises in Sweden was part of the problem, but also (as usual...) the model lineup. They had the 900 (a 10 year old sedan and hatchback) and the 9000 (a 4 year old sedan and hatchback). Déjà vu, anyone? :)

Also (but I only go from memories), the option for GM to buy the rest of Saab was penned later on, like 1995 or something. But I&#039;m not sure. Anyone has the official company history regarding these &quot;legal&quot; matters? Can&#039;t find anything at the Saab web site about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure here (just woke up&#8230;), but I think the official break up of Saab-Scania and the creation of Saab Automobile was in 1990. It was only the presentation of the deal that took place in December 1989.</p>
<p>Saab was very successful in the mid-eighties. But in 88-89, the situation rapidly got worse. I guess that the looming financial crises in Sweden was part of the problem, but also (as usual&#8230;) the model lineup. They had the 900 (a 10 year old sedan and hatchback) and the 9000 (a 4 year old sedan and hatchback). Déjà vu, anyone? <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also (but I only go from memories), the option for GM to buy the rest of Saab was penned later on, like 1995 or something. But I&#8217;m not sure. Anyone has the official company history regarding these &#8220;legal&#8221; matters? Can&#8217;t find anything at the Saab web site about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I made a typo.  GM bought the first half of Saab on 31st December 1989 and exercised it&#039;s option to buy the second half from Investor AB ten years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I made a typo.  GM bought the first half of Saab on 31st December 1989 and exercised it&#8217;s option to buy the second half from Investor AB ten years later.</p>
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		<title>By: eggsngrits</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggsngrits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ctm:  Yes, I did see the &#039;pre-packaged&#039; plan.  Rick Wagoner called it &quot;a fantasy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ctm:  Yes, I did see the &#8216;pre-packaged&#8217; plan.  Rick Wagoner called it &#8220;a fantasy&#8221;.</p>
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