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		<title>By: ubermich</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubermich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have time to elaborate.


This is important.  GM was probably already looking at some job cuts, mostly white-collar as mentioned in the article above.  Now, however, they know they are going to be faced with increasing corporate taxes as well as mandatory benefits for employees.  So while they&#039;re trying to cut 401k matching now, they&#039;ll be forced to later.  There will probably be mandatory guidelines of healthcare for employees as well.
What does that mean for ALL workers at GM blue, white or other?  GM can&#039;t afford them.  Watch for GM to go with alternative labor sources IE: temporary workers.  Look for more work through temp agencies and less through the unions and permanent employees.
Also watch for nearly every other American business to use the same model if these retirement plans and healthcare models do make it to fruition.

The good news, the silver lining, is that this may actually be a good thing for GM.  This may be where GM realizes where their bean counters have been missing zeros.  The massive cutbacks in employees may show GM that they can operate with significantly less overhead with the same number of workers (see: not employees).

I know it sounds weird, but just watch what happens to all American businesses (not just automotive) as each new law is passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have time to elaborate.</p>
<p>This is important.  GM was probably already looking at some job cuts, mostly white-collar as mentioned in the article above.  Now, however, they know they are going to be faced with increasing corporate taxes as well as mandatory benefits for employees.  So while they&#8217;re trying to cut 401k matching now, they&#8217;ll be forced to later.  There will probably be mandatory guidelines of healthcare for employees as well.<br />
What does that mean for ALL workers at GM blue, white or other?  GM can&#8217;t afford them.  Watch for GM to go with alternative labor sources IE: temporary workers.  Look for more work through temp agencies and less through the unions and permanent employees.<br />
Also watch for nearly every other American business to use the same model if these retirement plans and healthcare models do make it to fruition.</p>
<p>The good news, the silver lining, is that this may actually be a good thing for GM.  This may be where GM realizes where their bean counters have been missing zeros.  The massive cutbacks in employees may show GM that they can operate with significantly less overhead with the same number of workers (see: not employees).</p>
<p>I know it sounds weird, but just watch what happens to all American businesses (not just automotive) as each new law is passed.</p>
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		<title>By: ubermich</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubermich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Troll96: (North)westrussia is almost Scandinavian, even &quot;elks&quot; are living in these forests. But it was Eastern Germany just a couple of decades ago... Thus, we can put it as we want and move Opel and Schnaps to Königsberg (now Калининград). I heared, even the Swedes hold a claim on St.Peterburg not long ago. Absolut! So, right, let´s built Saab there. Anyway.

I do not know that is going on in GM´s HQ but I think the current &quot;crisis&quot; is a chance for Saab. Saab never became &quot;premium&quot; as Bmw or Audi did. These German &quot;premium&quot; brand just stumbled upon the &quot;crisis&quot;. They are in big trouble now and the whole &quot;premium&quot; approach is jeopardised. 

Saab should focus on well made &quot;honest&quot; and reasonably priced cars built and sold in quantities: 

9-1 micro against Toyota iQ, DB Smart,

9-2 compact against, well, compact cars like Honda Civic, Audi A3, 

9-3 well, we all now,

9-5 you name it!

Anything else? 

Oh yes, the &quot;insecurity&quot; mom´s (and dad´s) cars: 9-4 and (9-7)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Troll96: (North)westrussia is almost Scandinavian, even &#8220;elks&#8221; are living in these forests. But it was Eastern Germany just a couple of decades ago&#8230; Thus, we can put it as we want and move Opel and Schnaps to Königsberg (now Калининград). I heared, even the Swedes hold a claim on St.Peterburg not long ago. Absolut! So, right, let´s built Saab there. Anyway.</p>
<p>I do not know that is going on in GM´s HQ but I think the current &#8220;crisis&#8221; is a chance for Saab. Saab never became &#8220;premium&#8221; as Bmw or Audi did. These German &#8220;premium&#8221; brand just stumbled upon the &#8220;crisis&#8221;. They are in big trouble now and the whole &#8220;premium&#8221; approach is jeopardised. </p>
<p>Saab should focus on well made &#8220;honest&#8221; and reasonably priced cars built and sold in quantities: </p>
<p>9-1 micro against Toyota iQ, DB Smart,</p>
<p>9-2 compact against, well, compact cars like Honda Civic, Audi A3, </p>
<p>9-3 well, we all now,</p>
<p>9-5 you name it!</p>
<p>Anything else? </p>
<p>Oh yes, the &#8220;insecurity&#8221; mom´s (and dad´s) cars: 9-4 and (9-7)</p>
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		<title>By: Troll719</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troll719</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the lucky recipient of a defective Saab on the west coast of Canada , our Saab dealer was taken over by a big group and they don&#039;t even know the pressures  to put in the tires, let alone sales departments that just don&#039;t get it 

After all the issues I have had with the car , I would suggest Saab is not going to last and GM should cut and run.

This economy will have no tolerance of high priced cars with shoddy workmanship , do your self a favor buy a Mercedes or Audi if you want a high end car 

I hope we as owners are left with some support after this all shakes out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the lucky recipient of a defective Saab on the west coast of Canada , our Saab dealer was taken over by a big group and they don&#8217;t even know the pressures  to put in the tires, let alone sales departments that just don&#8217;t get it </p>
<p>After all the issues I have had with the car , I would suggest Saab is not going to last and GM should cut and run.</p>
<p>This economy will have no tolerance of high priced cars with shoddy workmanship , do your self a favor buy a Mercedes or Audi if you want a high end car </p>
<p>I hope we as owners are left with some support after this all shakes out</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Seattle, a long time Saab dealer just decided to give up the brand in September in order to become a Subaru dealer.  Now the only Saab dealer within 100 miles of Seattle is in Fife, WA which is 30 miles south of Seattle.  

I had just ordered a new 9-3 Aero XWD to replace my 2004 9-3 Aero prior to hearing about this and, frankly, I tried to see if I could cancel the order after I learned about the dealer closing in Seattle; I&#039;m not crazy about driving 60 miles round trip for warranty work and the free scheduled maintenance for the first 3 years. 

The interesting thing is that the Seattle dealer had worked out an agreement with GM to honor new warranties for 2 years or until GM established a new dealer in Seattle, but GM decided to back out of this agreement prior to the deal closing.  I think this is a bad decision, but then again, the dealer in Fife will want Saab owners to get in the habit of coming to them and probably feels that people will get used to it.

I doubt that I&#039;ll be one of those that will get used to it and if I don&#039;t, I won&#039;t order another one when this lease runs out (it is a company car).

I don&#039;t know where Saab sells most of its cars in the US, but I have to believe that the Seattle area had to be one of the better areas for them.  If true, it says a lot that they can&#039;t support two dealers in the Seattle/Tacoma area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Seattle, a long time Saab dealer just decided to give up the brand in September in order to become a Subaru dealer.  Now the only Saab dealer within 100 miles of Seattle is in Fife, WA which is 30 miles south of Seattle.  </p>
<p>I had just ordered a new 9-3 Aero XWD to replace my 2004 9-3 Aero prior to hearing about this and, frankly, I tried to see if I could cancel the order after I learned about the dealer closing in Seattle; I&#8217;m not crazy about driving 60 miles round trip for warranty work and the free scheduled maintenance for the first 3 years. </p>
<p>The interesting thing is that the Seattle dealer had worked out an agreement with GM to honor new warranties for 2 years or until GM established a new dealer in Seattle, but GM decided to back out of this agreement prior to the deal closing.  I think this is a bad decision, but then again, the dealer in Fife will want Saab owners to get in the habit of coming to them and probably feels that people will get used to it.</p>
<p>I doubt that I&#8217;ll be one of those that will get used to it and if I don&#8217;t, I won&#8217;t order another one when this lease runs out (it is a company car).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where Saab sells most of its cars in the US, but I have to believe that the Seattle area had to be one of the better areas for them.  If true, it says a lot that they can&#8217;t support two dealers in the Seattle/Tacoma area.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a Saab/Lotus exclusive dealer here in North Olmsted OH and we are having a great month - thanks to the trunk load of rebates.. up to 9500 in some cases... as for GM having its claws in Saab, I agree with most Saabies and we really need to put something fresh and new out there! Anything Please! I will, however, praise the ending of a long and painful SUV line but when will the 9-4x make its production appearance? Not to mention it takes Saab like 100 years before they put out anything &quot;advanced&quot; - i understand wanting to get the new right, but seriously in today&#039;s European competative market, there has to be more advance for Saab or they will continue to be plagued with &quot;gincy&quot; interiors and &quot;nothing new about&quot; appearance with people who cannot push themselves to pay the price-tag. Dont get me wrong, I truly love the brand and do feel fortunate that I can sell a product that I don&#039;t have to convince myself is a great value and I would take a Turbo X over a C300 anyday, but something has to happen and i only hope for the best - or my career is in jeopardy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a Saab/Lotus exclusive dealer here in North Olmsted OH and we are having a great month &#8211; thanks to the trunk load of rebates.. up to 9500 in some cases&#8230; as for GM having its claws in Saab, I agree with most Saabies and we really need to put something fresh and new out there! Anything Please! I will, however, praise the ending of a long and painful SUV line but when will the 9-4x make its production appearance? Not to mention it takes Saab like 100 years before they put out anything &#8220;advanced&#8221; &#8211; i understand wanting to get the new right, but seriously in today&#8217;s European competative market, there has to be more advance for Saab or they will continue to be plagued with &#8220;gincy&#8221; interiors and &#8220;nothing new about&#8221; appearance with people who cannot push themselves to pay the price-tag. Dont get me wrong, I truly love the brand and do feel fortunate that I can sell a product that I don&#8217;t have to convince myself is a great value and I would take a Turbo X over a C300 anyday, but something has to happen and i only hope for the best &#8211; or my career is in jeopardy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All:
Saab  has a  global distribution and brand recognition - that has to be worth something to someone.    And, what does GM have to gain by retiring the brand?  It stops the hemorrhaging, but so does selling - and selling (even if it is less than GM thinks it is worth) helps their balance sheet.  And cash is what GM needs.  

Is there another company out there that would be WORSE for Saab than (an insolvent) GM? I think most of us agree that SAAB has an exciting lineup coming out, but it seems that GMs financial situation is such that they cannot put out the new models in a timely fashion.  Anyone who has the cash to buy SAAB, would also (likely) have the cash to implement the 9-4x, 9-5, ASAP.  I say that the best thing for SAAB is for GM to suddenly have some cash on hand to get out those new models (unlikely), or for GM to sell SAAB to someone (really, anyone) who will put that cash into the brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All:<br />
Saab  has a  global distribution and brand recognition &#8211; that has to be worth something to someone.    And, what does GM have to gain by retiring the brand?  It stops the hemorrhaging, but so does selling &#8211; and selling (even if it is less than GM thinks it is worth) helps their balance sheet.  And cash is what GM needs.  </p>
<p>Is there another company out there that would be WORSE for Saab than (an insolvent) GM? I think most of us agree that SAAB has an exciting lineup coming out, but it seems that GMs financial situation is such that they cannot put out the new models in a timely fashion.  Anyone who has the cash to buy SAAB, would also (likely) have the cash to implement the 9-4x, 9-5, ASAP.  I say that the best thing for SAAB is for GM to suddenly have some cash on hand to get out those new models (unlikely), or for GM to sell SAAB to someone (really, anyone) who will put that cash into the brand.</p>
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		<title>By: JBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ambushdee 9-3:
I also owned a 2003 9-3, and it was a bucket of junk - electrics never worked, crap suspension, squeaks and rattles, in the shop every 3 months (really).    I now own an 08 9-3, with 14k miles, and it is heads and tails a better car with no problems.  the 03-04 years for the 9-3 was a notoriously bad line.  your 03 9-3 is not indicative of what GM has done to Saab - at least in terms of quality/reliability.  That said, I feel your pain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ambushdee 9-3:<br />
I also owned a 2003 9-3, and it was a bucket of junk &#8211; electrics never worked, crap suspension, squeaks and rattles, in the shop every 3 months (really).    I now own an 08 9-3, with 14k miles, and it is heads and tails a better car with no problems.  the 03-04 years for the 9-3 was a notoriously bad line.  your 03 9-3 is not indicative of what GM has done to Saab &#8211; at least in terms of quality/reliability.  That said, I feel your pain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: riku1100s</title>
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		<dc:creator>riku1100s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 2c&#039;s worth of advice: Buy a new Saab, while you can !</description>
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