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		<title>By: OHNO</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/10/saab-aint-quite-gms-minnow-brand.html#comment-55204</link>
		<dc:creator>OHNO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After selling Saab solidly in the UK for the last 20 years I can see nothing ahead but a shut down...

I can&#039;t see the Saab marque is of any value to BMW group what so ever  . 
It would be better for BMW to let Saab die from a business point of view. There would be less competition in the marketplace and I&#039;m sure they would pick up customers if Saab closed down.

Renault has it&#039;s hands full with Nissan and why would Mercedes need another brand? They already have a model range beginning with virtually every letter of the alphabet to fill every niche already .

What real value does Saab give to any other car maker other than it&#039;s name ? ....And sadly who really  cares anymore other than a small hardcore of fans ...who tend to buy second hand cars .

As already said the legendary brand loyalty is all but gone , the products are dated , poorly made , unreliable and well off the pace of the current crop of cars. 
I hear far to frequently ,from customers, that they have had several Saab&#039;s in the past but they will never have another . 

The majority of new customers who have come to Saab in the last 5 years will never buy another.
GM does not want invest.  It simply can&#039;t be worth investing in . The company does not make money and does not sell enough cars.


There are simply to many models and manufactures to satisfy the global market place. Sadly some manufactures will have to go.

To me it really does seem another Rover type situation . However Rover did have the Mini .. Saab has ?? I can&#039;t see the Swedish government being at all interested in getting involved . Can you?

Also the sales figures are totally inflated this year anyway !! 
Currently there are simply thousands (over 2000 maybe over 3000! )of pre registered Saab&#039;s sat at the docks .
UK Saab franchise agents and specialists have had enough and many have shut down or have chosen to leave the franchise. 
When there is almost 30% off a new car you know there are problems ahead. Also the warranty reduction and price increase in the US seems quite a black statement of Saab&#039;s predicament .

The UK is the biggest market for Saab and if it&#039;s awful here I can only guess how bad people are feeling worldwide .

I really think that GM thought the Cadillac BLS would take off over here ( have you seen how much they spent on advertising the car ) . If it had I think Saab would have already been on the way.

I&#039;ve sold Saab for the bulk of my life but I&#039;m very sad to say that part of me would like it put to rest before the good memories people have of the older cars fades away . I can see a similar end as I think Oldsmobile had ?  Maybe 1 years notice , a final run and then closure. We are already seeing big signs in cost cutting - wish does not fill me or my co workers with any confidence for the times ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After selling Saab solidly in the UK for the last 20 years I can see nothing ahead but a shut down&#8230;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see the Saab marque is of any value to BMW group what so ever  .<br />
It would be better for BMW to let Saab die from a business point of view. There would be less competition in the marketplace and I&#8217;m sure they would pick up customers if Saab closed down.</p>
<p>Renault has it&#8217;s hands full with Nissan and why would Mercedes need another brand? They already have a model range beginning with virtually every letter of the alphabet to fill every niche already .</p>
<p>What real value does Saab give to any other car maker other than it&#8217;s name ? &#8230;.And sadly who really  cares anymore other than a small hardcore of fans &#8230;who tend to buy second hand cars .</p>
<p>As already said the legendary brand loyalty is all but gone , the products are dated , poorly made , unreliable and well off the pace of the current crop of cars.<br />
I hear far to frequently ,from customers, that they have had several Saab&#8217;s in the past but they will never have another . </p>
<p>The majority of new customers who have come to Saab in the last 5 years will never buy another.<br />
GM does not want invest.  It simply can&#8217;t be worth investing in . The company does not make money and does not sell enough cars.</p>
<p>There are simply to many models and manufactures to satisfy the global market place. Sadly some manufactures will have to go.</p>
<p>To me it really does seem another Rover type situation . However Rover did have the Mini .. Saab has ?? I can&#8217;t see the Swedish government being at all interested in getting involved . Can you?</p>
<p>Also the sales figures are totally inflated this year anyway !!<br />
Currently there are simply thousands (over 2000 maybe over 3000! )of pre registered Saab&#8217;s sat at the docks .<br />
UK Saab franchise agents and specialists have had enough and many have shut down or have chosen to leave the franchise.<br />
When there is almost 30% off a new car you know there are problems ahead. Also the warranty reduction and price increase in the US seems quite a black statement of Saab&#8217;s predicament .</p>
<p>The UK is the biggest market for Saab and if it&#8217;s awful here I can only guess how bad people are feeling worldwide .</p>
<p>I really think that GM thought the Cadillac BLS would take off over here ( have you seen how much they spent on advertising the car ) . If it had I think Saab would have already been on the way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sold Saab for the bulk of my life but I&#8217;m very sad to say that part of me would like it put to rest before the good memories people have of the older cars fades away . I can see a similar end as I think Oldsmobile had ?  Maybe 1 years notice , a final run and then closure. We are already seeing big signs in cost cutting &#8211; wish does not fill me or my co workers with any confidence for the times ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: GiTi</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/10/saab-aint-quite-gms-minnow-brand.html#comment-55191</link>
		<dc:creator>GiTi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best fit would be Daimler (Mercedes, Smart) of Germany.
They have no good offers when you want a front wheel drive.
There is not much overlap in the potential customer base (modern vs conservative).
This take-over would certainly improve SAAB sales in Germany but may hurt in UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best fit would be Daimler (Mercedes, Smart) of Germany.<br />
They have no good offers when you want a front wheel drive.<br />
There is not much overlap in the potential customer base (modern vs conservative).<br />
This take-over would certainly improve SAAB sales in Germany but may hurt in UK.</p>
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		<title>By: ck1x</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck1x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I for one think at the current rate GM is going, they could care less about the whole Saab brand and it&#039;s future. Someone actually mentioned this before on this site and I&#039;m starting to wonder if it may come true. Maybe GM is producing excellent Concept models just to generate buzz for the brand so that they can sell it for the potential that&#039;s there and not for the current product line-up status. You have to admit, with the press and critical acclaim that Saab receives from it&#039;s ground breaking concepts, under the right management and with the right financial backing Saab has the most untapped potential of any automotive brand out right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I for one think at the current rate GM is going, they could care less about the whole Saab brand and it&#8217;s future. Someone actually mentioned this before on this site and I&#8217;m starting to wonder if it may come true. Maybe GM is producing excellent Concept models just to generate buzz for the brand so that they can sell it for the potential that&#8217;s there and not for the current product line-up status. You have to admit, with the press and critical acclaim that Saab receives from it&#8217;s ground breaking concepts, under the right management and with the right financial backing Saab has the most untapped potential of any automotive brand out right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porsche is melting into VW because they then have a chance to survive with the future emission limits. The average CO2 number for VW would be quite low, even with Porsche on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porsche is melting into VW because they then have a chance to survive with the future emission limits. The average CO2 number for VW would be quite low, even with Porsche on board.</p>
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		<title>By: van god los</title>
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		<dc:creator>van god los</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ctm, sorry to disappoint you but audi is wayyyyy to attached to VW to be sold as an idependent entity.

they share almost all of the platforms, engines, transmissions, ... with other brands of the VAG group. That&#039;s one thing that the VAG group does very well : they make &lt;strong&gt;one good&lt;/strong&gt; platform/engine/transmission/... and then put it in lots of different brands (seat, skoda, vw, audi, porsche) and models.

Examples : the new 1.4 tsi engines (with compressor and turbo!), the DSG 6 and 7 traps dubble clutch transmissions. That are engines and transmissions that GM has no substitute for. 

But GM does have 10 (or so ;-)) 2.0 outdated petrol engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ctm, sorry to disappoint you but audi is wayyyyy to attached to VW to be sold as an idependent entity.</p>
<p>they share almost all of the platforms, engines, transmissions, &#8230; with other brands of the VAG group. That&#8217;s one thing that the VAG group does very well : they make <strong>one good</strong> platform/engine/transmission/&#8230; and then put it in lots of different brands (seat, skoda, vw, audi, porsche) and models.</p>
<p>Examples : the new 1.4 tsi engines (with compressor and turbo!), the DSG 6 and 7 traps dubble clutch transmissions. That are engines and transmissions that GM has no substitute for. </p>
<p>But GM does have 10 (or so <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) 2.0 outdated petrol engines.</p>
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		<title>By: swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ctm, I think you&#039;re in the wrong industry.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ctm, I think you&#8217;re in the wrong industry&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ctm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I had a dream (or something) last night.

Porsche is buying the VW group. Reasons? Burning their cash, preventing Audi from building even more supersportscars, and maybe to get even in some old family feud. Through VW, the also get control of Scania. Why not sell Audi? It would bring loads of money at the moment. Audi seems to stand more and more on their own compared to the rest of the VW group, so it could work to chop it off. And when they got rid of Audi, they buy Saab. Saab will never build supersportscars, and can replace Audi as a premium brand much more in line with the tastefulness of Porsche. And once again, Saab and Scania are together... Oh my...:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I had a dream (or something) last night.</p>
<p>Porsche is buying the VW group. Reasons? Burning their cash, preventing Audi from building even more supersportscars, and maybe to get even in some old family feud. Through VW, the also get control of Scania. Why not sell Audi? It would bring loads of money at the moment. Audi seems to stand more and more on their own compared to the rest of the VW group, so it could work to chop it off. And when they got rid of Audi, they buy Saab. Saab will never build supersportscars, and can replace Audi as a premium brand much more in line with the tastefulness of Porsche. And once again, Saab and Scania are together&#8230; Oh my&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: ctm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kind of intrigued by all this praise for a French owner of Saab. Do you know the state of the French unions? Think UAW, then add 5 times more socialism and 20 times more nationalism. One hour after the take-over they would rally in the streets of Paris and demand that this weird thing called Trollhättan is closed down so that the French workers have something to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind of intrigued by all this praise for a French owner of Saab. Do you know the state of the French unions? Think UAW, then add 5 times more socialism and 20 times more nationalism. One hour after the take-over they would rally in the streets of Paris and demand that this weird thing called Trollhättan is closed down so that the French workers have something to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mag-X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mag-X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hummer may be smaller, but GM doesn&#039;t act like it. I still see commercials for the Hummer. On the other hand, I was seriously surprised just to see an ad banner for Saab on Pandora the other day.

You&#039;d think in these times of high gas prices, they&#039;d be pushing Saab hard, but no, they&#039;re still trying hard to move Hummers and Escalades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hummer may be smaller, but GM doesn&#8217;t act like it. I still see commercials for the Hummer. On the other hand, I was seriously surprised just to see an ad banner for Saab on Pandora the other day.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think in these times of high gas prices, they&#8217;d be pushing Saab hard, but no, they&#8217;re still trying hard to move Hummers and Escalades.</p>
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		<title>By: swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe not as much more as you think, Zippy.  But on the whole, probably.

One third of Saab&#039;s US sales are made up of 9-5 and 9-7x and I imagine those two would have bigger margins than Hummers.  Of course, then there&#039;s the incentives they&#039;ve put on the hood of those vehicles, but I don&#039;t think Hummers are necessarily going at MSRP either.

Kroum, I&#039;ve wondered about BMW, too.  I always wanted Porsche as an adoptive parent, but now they&#039;ve taken over VW, BMW might be the other good fit (much as I hate to say it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe not as much more as you think, Zippy.  But on the whole, probably.</p>
<p>One third of Saab&#8217;s US sales are made up of 9-5 and 9-7x and I imagine those two would have bigger margins than Hummers.  Of course, then there&#8217;s the incentives they&#8217;ve put on the hood of those vehicles, but I don&#8217;t think Hummers are necessarily going at MSRP either.</p>
<p>Kroum, I&#8217;ve wondered about BMW, too.  I always wanted Porsche as an adoptive parent, but now they&#8217;ve taken over VW, BMW might be the other good fit (much as I hate to say it).</p>
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