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	<title>Comments on: Saab 9-3 Turbo X continues to generate press</title>
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		<title>By: Tads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting views here guys and I thought I&#039;d share my experience, as I&#039;ve had a Turbo X since April and now have almost 8,000 miles on the clock.

Overall I&#039;m more than happy with the car.  It&#039;s my 5th Saab, and I&#039;ve had some good ones in the past, including a 900 Carlsson and most recently a 9-3 Aero (last of the hatches).  I love the look of the X, and as I approach it to get in I can&#039;t help but grin at times.  I also park in the petrol station in a position where I can see the car whilst I&#039;m queueing, so that I can admire it from afar!  How sad is that?!!  I just don&#039;t think I&#039;d get that same feeling driving around in an Audi (ok, maybe an S5).

The performance is perfectly good, without being amazing.  The power delivery is such that you don&#039;t always realise how quick you&#039;re going until you look at the dial.  However, there are also times when you just feel it needs a bit more.  I may treat myself to an upgrade before long, and will therefore need to check out both the BSR and Hirsh options.  The AWD and handling is obviously very good, although it does take some getting used to.  Whilst I always have a lot of confidence when cornering, it can feel like the car is pivoting around me and is quite unlike any other car I&#039;ve driven.

It has to be said that the interior is not brilliant, but it&#039;s by no means poor.  It does look a little drab compared to the class leaders, but exterior styling is far more important for me.

After almost 6 months I am still very happy with the car, although I do feel it is somewhat over-priced...and I also paid the price for ordering early!  However, how many other cars in the price range would give me that grin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting views here guys and I thought I&#8217;d share my experience, as I&#8217;ve had a Turbo X since April and now have almost 8,000 miles on the clock.</p>
<p>Overall I&#8217;m more than happy with the car.  It&#8217;s my 5th Saab, and I&#8217;ve had some good ones in the past, including a 900 Carlsson and most recently a 9-3 Aero (last of the hatches).  I love the look of the X, and as I approach it to get in I can&#8217;t help but grin at times.  I also park in the petrol station in a position where I can see the car whilst I&#8217;m queueing, so that I can admire it from afar!  How sad is that?!!  I just don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d get that same feeling driving around in an Audi (ok, maybe an S5).</p>
<p>The performance is perfectly good, without being amazing.  The power delivery is such that you don&#8217;t always realise how quick you&#8217;re going until you look at the dial.  However, there are also times when you just feel it needs a bit more.  I may treat myself to an upgrade before long, and will therefore need to check out both the BSR and Hirsh options.  The AWD and handling is obviously very good, although it does take some getting used to.  Whilst I always have a lot of confidence when cornering, it can feel like the car is pivoting around me and is quite unlike any other car I&#8217;ve driven.</p>
<p>It has to be said that the interior is not brilliant, but it&#8217;s by no means poor.  It does look a little drab compared to the class leaders, but exterior styling is far more important for me.</p>
<p>After almost 6 months I am still very happy with the car, although I do feel it is somewhat over-priced&#8230;and I also paid the price for ordering early!  However, how many other cars in the price range would give me that grin?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m from Sweden, so my Boston trips are scarce I&#039;m afraid ;-)

But it would certainly have been nice to meet both of you! For now, I guess I&#039;ll have to be content with admiring the few Turbo X&#039;s I&#039;ll spot around here - and they are certainly not going to be a common sight even on the Swedish roads (not really sure about the Swedish allotment).

Cheers,
Johnny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m from Sweden, so my Boston trips are scarce I&#8217;m afraid <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But it would certainly have been nice to meet both of you! For now, I guess I&#8217;ll have to be content with admiring the few Turbo X&#8217;s I&#8217;ll spot around here &#8211; and they are certainly not going to be a common sight even on the Swedish roads (not really sure about the Swedish allotment).</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Johnny</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Lobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bare this in mind when I get to Boston one day and will be glad to meet with both of you and chew the fat. You are right on your statement that MA is the heart of Saab in the US. I&#039;ve met Bostonians in places like Colorado that still drive Saabs in this part of the world as they did back in Boston. Will be in contact once my trip allows me to get to Boston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bare this in mind when I get to Boston one day and will be glad to meet with both of you and chew the fat. You are right on your statement that MA is the heart of Saab in the US. I&#8217;ve met Bostonians in places like Colorado that still drive Saabs in this part of the world as they did back in Boston. Will be in contact once my trip allows me to get to Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boston, MA.  The heart of Saab country in the US, where Turbo X&#039;s are clogging dealer lots and 335xi&#039;s are a dime a dozen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boston, MA.  The heart of Saab country in the US, where Turbo X&#8217;s are clogging dealer lots and 335xi&#8217;s are a dime a dozen.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Lobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, thank you Johnny you&#039;ve made my day. But calling the Turbo X mediocre is almost as unforgiving as referring to the likes of Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman or Cameron Diaz as average looking ordinary women. Most of us will react to such statements and enrage with a counter response objecting to any such descriptive. I am very fortunate and consider myself very lucky of owning a Turbo X which it continues to amaze me. I have no doubt that some desires and potential shortfalls will come through after the &quot;honey moon time&quot;. But the car is brilliant and an amazing replacement of my 9-3 Coupe 02. If you are a regular you would have seen it a few times as I consider this the benchmark. Seeing it go I had doubts if my decision to replace it was the right one. So, I am glad to learn that you love Saab as much as some others do and that your passion is true. Alex, I am glad to see that you concur with Johnny on most of his impressions. Where are you both gentlemen based ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, thank you Johnny you&#8217;ve made my day. But calling the Turbo X mediocre is almost as unforgiving as referring to the likes of Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman or Cameron Diaz as average looking ordinary women. Most of us will react to such statements and enrage with a counter response objecting to any such descriptive. I am very fortunate and consider myself very lucky of owning a Turbo X which it continues to amaze me. I have no doubt that some desires and potential shortfalls will come through after the &#8220;honey moon time&#8221;. But the car is brilliant and an amazing replacement of my 9-3 Coupe 02. If you are a regular you would have seen it a few times as I consider this the benchmark. Seeing it go I had doubts if my decision to replace it was the right one. So, I am glad to learn that you love Saab as much as some others do and that your passion is true. Alex, I am glad to see that you concur with Johnny on most of his impressions. Where are you both gentlemen based ???</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Johnny on that one, I love my 9-5 Aero and if I had the funds for one I&#039;d be in a Turbo X SC as we speak.  At the same time I feel that if we, the few remaining loyal Saab customers are going to be able to do anything to actually help the brand, it will be by expressing our desire for Saab to build cars that aren&#039;t just some of the best Saabs ever built, but some of the best cars ever built.  Period.

Today walking to class I saw a ~1990 or so C900 Turbo convertible parked right next to a white pre-facelift 9-3SC 2.0T and the comparison really stuck with me.  The C900 had a shape that&#039;s iconic and still looks fresh to this day, and the turbo models had performance that easily matched or beat BMW&#039;s top regular production 3-series of the time, the 325i.  

The 9-3SC on the other hand looked almost, but not quite there.  The shape of the beltline, pillars, and tail make for what is easily the best looking sportwagons on the market, but the bland front end dulls what would otherwise be the best looking car in it&#039;s class.  Almost, but not quite.  The interior is no different as some of the best seats in the 9-3&#039;s segment with are paired with what are easily the cheapest interior materials in it&#039;s segment.  I love the simple, ergonomic dash layout wonder how many buyers could have been brought to Saab on that interior alone if GM had only chosen to execute that interior with the materials and switchgear that belong in a $30k+ car.  Again, Saab&#039;s frustratingly close to getting it right, only to be held back by some easily fixable flaws.  The same thing goes for handling and controls, if the Japanese can put a great shifter and communicative steering in their $20k econoboxes then there&#039;s no reason why Saab&#039;s still have to have rubbery shifters and numb steering.

Saab right now is in the middle of a sales crisis, and while car sales are down across the board, Saab is still seeing sales drops beyond those of it&#039;s rivals.  Saab is also ranked dead last in terms of owner loyalty, and the current addition of XWD hasn&#039;t done much to help that.  Saab right now doesn&#039;t just need the enthusiasts if it wants to survive, it needs those precious &quot;conquest&quot; sales from people who have never bought a Saab before.  As long Saab&#039;s products like the &quot;halo&quot; Turbo X get almost universally panned by the major automotive journalists for being &quot;Almost, but not quite&quot;, that isn&#039;t going to happen.  That said, I have high hopes for the NG9-5 and 9-4X, and I&#039;m anxiously looking forward to how GM manages to fix the &quot;not quite&quot; parts of those cars.

It&#039;s just frustrating to see a brand with so much going for it getting held back by such easily fixable flaws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Johnny on that one, I love my 9-5 Aero and if I had the funds for one I&#8217;d be in a Turbo X SC as we speak.  At the same time I feel that if we, the few remaining loyal Saab customers are going to be able to do anything to actually help the brand, it will be by expressing our desire for Saab to build cars that aren&#8217;t just some of the best Saabs ever built, but some of the best cars ever built.  Period.</p>
<p>Today walking to class I saw a ~1990 or so C900 Turbo convertible parked right next to a white pre-facelift 9-3SC 2.0T and the comparison really stuck with me.  The C900 had a shape that&#8217;s iconic and still looks fresh to this day, and the turbo models had performance that easily matched or beat BMW&#8217;s top regular production 3-series of the time, the 325i.  </p>
<p>The 9-3SC on the other hand looked almost, but not quite there.  The shape of the beltline, pillars, and tail make for what is easily the best looking sportwagons on the market, but the bland front end dulls what would otherwise be the best looking car in it&#8217;s class.  Almost, but not quite.  The interior is no different as some of the best seats in the 9-3&#8242;s segment with are paired with what are easily the cheapest interior materials in it&#8217;s segment.  I love the simple, ergonomic dash layout wonder how many buyers could have been brought to Saab on that interior alone if GM had only chosen to execute that interior with the materials and switchgear that belong in a $30k+ car.  Again, Saab&#8217;s frustratingly close to getting it right, only to be held back by some easily fixable flaws.  The same thing goes for handling and controls, if the Japanese can put a great shifter and communicative steering in their $20k econoboxes then there&#8217;s no reason why Saab&#8217;s still have to have rubbery shifters and numb steering.</p>
<p>Saab right now is in the middle of a sales crisis, and while car sales are down across the board, Saab is still seeing sales drops beyond those of it&#8217;s rivals.  Saab is also ranked dead last in terms of owner loyalty, and the current addition of XWD hasn&#8217;t done much to help that.  Saab right now doesn&#8217;t just need the enthusiasts if it wants to survive, it needs those precious &#8220;conquest&#8221; sales from people who have never bought a Saab before.  As long Saab&#8217;s products like the &#8220;halo&#8221; Turbo X get almost universally panned by the major automotive journalists for being &#8220;Almost, but not quite&#8221;, that isn&#8217;t going to happen.  That said, I have high hopes for the NG9-5 and 9-4X, and I&#8217;m anxiously looking forward to how GM manages to fix the &#8220;not quite&#8221; parts of those cars.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just frustrating to see a brand with so much going for it getting held back by such easily fixable flaws.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: I am grown up. And if you had read my posts properly you&#039;d have noticed that I&#039;d take the Turbo X any day over the mentioned competitors, even though it apparently falls behind in some areas. I love Saabs, I love Turbo X&#039;s, that&#039;s why I am frequenting this great site, and I am happy to accept most of whatever flaws that my own Saabs have (that&#039;s part of what makes them Saabs perhaps). I&#039;m not here to deliberately kill the Saab brand by consistently pointing out weak areas. 

That said, I find it very interesting and important to read third-party reviews of Saab cars against other brands that are more or less officially acknowledged by Saab as competitors. And I am slightly uncomfortable with not being able to discuss the results here objectively without being accused of being anti-Saab, and of writing &quot;appalling&quot; comments. 

I sincerely congratulate Joe and all the rest of you here who have managed to get yourselves a Turbo X. I have driven it and it is a truly wonderful car. You made the right choice!

Happy Saabing,
Johnny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: I am grown up. And if you had read my posts properly you&#8217;d have noticed that I&#8217;d take the Turbo X any day over the mentioned competitors, even though it apparently falls behind in some areas. I love Saabs, I love Turbo X&#8217;s, that&#8217;s why I am frequenting this great site, and I am happy to accept most of whatever flaws that my own Saabs have (that&#8217;s part of what makes them Saabs perhaps). I&#8217;m not here to deliberately kill the Saab brand by consistently pointing out weak areas. </p>
<p>That said, I find it very interesting and important to read third-party reviews of Saab cars against other brands that are more or less officially acknowledged by Saab as competitors. And I am slightly uncomfortable with not being able to discuss the results here objectively without being accused of being anti-Saab, and of writing &#8220;appalling&#8221; comments. </p>
<p>I sincerely congratulate Joe and all the rest of you here who have managed to get yourselves a Turbo X. I have driven it and it is a truly wonderful car. You made the right choice!</p>
<p>Happy Saabing,<br />
Johnny</p>
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		<title>By: SaabLance</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaabLance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said,all of you who are growing a little weary regarding the Turbo-X Bashing thats being done &quot;in-house&quot; so to speak.I think I may have read more compliments emanating from the general Automotive press! I would like an informal &quot;roll-call/head count&quot; to be taken .How many of our posters ,both negative and /or positive have actually,in fact DRIVEN this car?Be honest now!
 As to pricing exclusivity and what we who sell them THINK regarding discounting a limited edition car, as we are so often wont to say these days&quot;it is what it is&quot;.Saab USA and GM saw fit to include the Turbo-X in the G.M.Employee Pricing for everyone promo.That being the case,with discounts and owner loyalty qualification price on a Turbo-x can now be as low as mid to upper $30&#039;s. As a result our dealership has sold 10 since the promo went into effect,including one spot delivery this morning and not counting two clients who are making final decisions on Aero vs Turbo-X this week. And by the way,the spot delivery was a BMW X-3 customer who took the Turbo-x Sport-Combi overnight and came back in total love with the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,all of you who are growing a little weary regarding the Turbo-X Bashing thats being done &#8220;in-house&#8221; so to speak.I think I may have read more compliments emanating from the general Automotive press! I would like an informal &#8220;roll-call/head count&#8221; to be taken .How many of our posters ,both negative and /or positive have actually,in fact DRIVEN this car?Be honest now!<br />
 As to pricing exclusivity and what we who sell them THINK regarding discounting a limited edition car, as we are so often wont to say these days&#8221;it is what it is&#8221;.Saab USA and GM saw fit to include the Turbo-X in the G.M.Employee Pricing for everyone promo.That being the case,with discounts and owner loyalty qualification price on a Turbo-x can now be as low as mid to upper $30&#8242;s. As a result our dealership has sold 10 since the promo went into effect,including one spot delivery this morning and not counting two clients who are making final decisions on Aero vs Turbo-X this week. And by the way,the spot delivery was a BMW X-3 customer who took the Turbo-x Sport-Combi overnight and came back in total love with the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Kroum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kroum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not had a single regret on my decision to buy the X. After almost 4 months and 6,000 km. on the odometer, this car has been nothing short of amazing in almost every respect.

For once I am looking forward to the Canadian winter - this will be the ultimate test of how good the Turbo X really is. Then in spring, I may think about BSR stage 1 to help 1st and 2nd gears. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not had a single regret on my decision to buy the X. After almost 4 months and 6,000 km. on the odometer, this car has been nothing short of amazing in almost every respect.</p>
<p>For once I am looking forward to the Canadian winter &#8211; this will be the ultimate test of how good the Turbo X really is. Then in spring, I may think about BSR stage 1 to help 1st and 2nd gears. <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jörgen Trued</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jörgen Trued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read your discussion with great interest.
I am picking up my TX SC 6speed manual this week. It&#039;s the last of its kind here in sweden!
All others left how are auto trannys. I have not driven the Car yet bit I am confident that
The Car will live up to its reputation (the positive one).
Saab is all about emotions that no german magazine Can convey in any way.
TX is a limited edition Car which might hold its value lite the Viggens !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read your discussion with great interest.<br />
I am picking up my TX SC 6speed manual this week. It&#8217;s the last of its kind here in sweden!<br />
All others left how are auto trannys. I have not driven the Car yet bit I am confident that<br />
The Car will live up to its reputation (the positive one).<br />
Saab is all about emotions that no german magazine Can convey in any way.<br />
TX is a limited edition Car which might hold its value lite the Viggens !</p>
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