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	<title>Comments on: 2009 Saab 9-5 &#8211; details for Germany (bonus: 9-3 Hirsch info as well!)</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Johnny. Exactly why we got our &#039;07 2.3T. As much as I enjoy gear shifting, I also advise getting the automatic in this car. Tap the S button on the lever when you don&#039;t have passengers to coddle, and enjoy the change in attitude--even more fun than the shift paddles.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Johnny. Exactly why we got our &#8217;07 2.3T. As much as I enjoy gear shifting, I also advise getting the automatic in this car. Tap the S button on the lever when you don&#8217;t have passengers to coddle, and enjoy the change in attitude&#8211;even more fun than the shift paddles.<br />
B</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, the 9-5 is starting to generate the same slightly weird feelings as I have about many of the older Saab models, at least the 99 and 900 - it is becoming a vintage classic, designed in the past, but somehow meeting most of our modern day requirements. And, rather intriguingly, exceeding some of them.

I am not even complaining or laughing about the 9-5&#039;s considerable age any longer. In fact, I have begun to value it as an asset. In the hysterical inferno of &quot;all-new&quot; model updates that surrounds us (making four-year-old predecessors look very obsolete and un-cool) the 9-5 is still there - basically the same car that was introduced more than eleven years ago, still offering everything I need and want. OK, we have seen two major and significant updates, but not much more. 

Of course the 9-5 &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; show its age in a less fashionable way also. The interior materials are supposedly not on par with the German opposition - but that&#039;s fine with me. This only removes the 9-5 from the tedious nagging about &quot;premium&quot; status, of which I personally couldn&#039;t care less. In a direct comparison with a new Audi, the 9-5 would fall short, but you&#039;re not facing 1988 Nissan Micra plastics either. With a few exceptions, I find the 9-5&#039;s interior components very solid and very well laid out. But I do like the pre-06 green instruments better!

They say the chassis is bad. It understeers and is wallowy, and pushed hard on a race track it is not as fun to drive as many other cars. This might be true also. On the few occasions I have driven on a race track, I would not have chosen a 9-5. And of course I can tell the difference between the 9-5 and a more modern and agile car on normal roads too. But still it is a good, safe, comfortable and entertaining drive on the type of roads it was designed for, ranging from pitch black winding icy roads (where I have to spend quite some time each year) to extended motorway cruises. 

Some also note that the 9-5 lacks many of the safety features thad more modern cars have, such as active sensing systems etc. This is true, but the overall safety level of the 9-5 is very high - and it is high not just to sell more vehicles, but because it has always been that way. Safety is something so deeply rooted in the Saab (and may I say Swedish) mentality that neither Saab nor Volvo would probably understand the concept of designing and releasing truly un-safe cars even if they wanted to.

Journalists also often complain about the gearbox, and here I agree fully. It feels like the engine mounts were made of chewing gum, and shifting gears is like moving around logs connected by rubber bands. Sometimes I think this completely ruins the impression of the fantastic engine. Was it really that difficult to come up with something better than this? Just imagine if the 9-5 had the solid feel of the 9-3 gear shift!

So the current 9-5 is a car I have come to genuinely like, regardless of where it would end up in a magazine comparison test. But of course I will salute the new generation 9-5 when it appears. It will probably be a far better and more desirable car both for us Saab nuts as well as for non-Saabers. In the meantime, I guess those of us who wish we&#039;d bought a new black 99 Turbo in the seventies and preserved it in pristine condition should go take a serious look at the MY09 9-5...

Cheers,
Johnny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, the 9-5 is starting to generate the same slightly weird feelings as I have about many of the older Saab models, at least the 99 and 900 &#8211; it is becoming a vintage classic, designed in the past, but somehow meeting most of our modern day requirements. And, rather intriguingly, exceeding some of them.</p>
<p>I am not even complaining or laughing about the 9-5&#8242;s considerable age any longer. In fact, I have begun to value it as an asset. In the hysterical inferno of &#8220;all-new&#8221; model updates that surrounds us (making four-year-old predecessors look very obsolete and un-cool) the 9-5 is still there &#8211; basically the same car that was introduced more than eleven years ago, still offering everything I need and want. OK, we have seen two major and significant updates, but not much more. </p>
<p>Of course the 9-5 <em>does</em> show its age in a less fashionable way also. The interior materials are supposedly not on par with the German opposition &#8211; but that&#8217;s fine with me. This only removes the 9-5 from the tedious nagging about &#8220;premium&#8221; status, of which I personally couldn&#8217;t care less. In a direct comparison with a new Audi, the 9-5 would fall short, but you&#8217;re not facing 1988 Nissan Micra plastics either. With a few exceptions, I find the 9-5&#8242;s interior components very solid and very well laid out. But I do like the pre-06 green instruments better!</p>
<p>They say the chassis is bad. It understeers and is wallowy, and pushed hard on a race track it is not as fun to drive as many other cars. This might be true also. On the few occasions I have driven on a race track, I would not have chosen a 9-5. And of course I can tell the difference between the 9-5 and a more modern and agile car on normal roads too. But still it is a good, safe, comfortable and entertaining drive on the type of roads it was designed for, ranging from pitch black winding icy roads (where I have to spend quite some time each year) to extended motorway cruises. </p>
<p>Some also note that the 9-5 lacks many of the safety features thad more modern cars have, such as active sensing systems etc. This is true, but the overall safety level of the 9-5 is very high &#8211; and it is high not just to sell more vehicles, but because it has always been that way. Safety is something so deeply rooted in the Saab (and may I say Swedish) mentality that neither Saab nor Volvo would probably understand the concept of designing and releasing truly un-safe cars even if they wanted to.</p>
<p>Journalists also often complain about the gearbox, and here I agree fully. It feels like the engine mounts were made of chewing gum, and shifting gears is like moving around logs connected by rubber bands. Sometimes I think this completely ruins the impression of the fantastic engine. Was it really that difficult to come up with something better than this? Just imagine if the 9-5 had the solid feel of the 9-3 gear shift!</p>
<p>So the current 9-5 is a car I have come to genuinely like, regardless of where it would end up in a magazine comparison test. But of course I will salute the new generation 9-5 when it appears. It will probably be a far better and more desirable car both for us Saab nuts as well as for non-Saabers. In the meantime, I guess those of us who wish we&#8217;d bought a new black 99 Turbo in the seventies and preserved it in pristine condition should go take a serious look at the MY09 9-5&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Johnny</p>
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		<title>By: Tompa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tompa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice picture, and kinda bittersweet.. The last MY9-5 beside the classic 900 in red. Wish I could pan out for a bigger picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice picture, and kinda bittersweet.. The last MY9-5 beside the classic 900 in red. Wish I could pan out for a bigger picture.</p>
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		<title>By: 2-don</title>
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		<dc:creator>2-don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I wish I lived in Germany!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I wish I lived in Germany!</p>
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