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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have good roads here in Maryland, but every state around us has terrible roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have good roads here in Maryland, but every state around us has terrible roads.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching that show &quot;Burn Notice&quot; with the Saab promotion and I saw a Saab ad.  I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s been discussed here already.  The ad was baad.  Very baad.  It was like talking about performance and beauty and repeated it 3 times.  Then they were like repetition is a part of our history.  It was a silver 9-3 convert. in the ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching that show &#8220;Burn Notice&#8221; with the Saab promotion and I saw a Saab ad.  I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s been discussed here already.  The ad was baad.  Very baad.  It was like talking about performance and beauty and repeated it 3 times.  Then they were like repetition is a part of our history.  It was a silver 9-3 convert. in the ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tompa,

I didn&#039;t say that Europe doesn&#039;t have tough winter conditions as well in some parts. The difference is that these conditions are not prevalent in the larger population centers. There are few places in Europe that have large populations, winter temperatures of -30 and summer temperatures of +40 like Chicago (for instance).

On top of this, Americans have a much different attitude towards maintenance compared to Scandinavians. I think that this has a lot to do with the relatively low price of cars in the US. Spending $4,000 to replace the front suspension on a $20,000 Contour just doesn&#039;t go down well. I imagine that things are different when you are paying three to four times more for a new car.
Faced with such an invoice, the average American would trade the car in immediately. This leads to low resale values, a bad reputation, and poor sales (which succinctly describes Ford&#039;s non-truck business in the US).

Come to think of it, I hardly ever see any Contours anymore. I do see a lot of 10 year old Accords, Camrys and Impalas.

There&#039;s a reason why the successful automakers (Toyota and Honda) sell entirely different models in North America. My point is that Ford should look at their past history of selling European cars in the US, and then look at what the Japanese are doing instead. It should be obvious to them that designing &quot;world cars&quot; can be no more than a stopgap measure, and that they should focus on tailoring their cars to the customers&#039; needs in the longer term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tompa,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that Europe doesn&#8217;t have tough winter conditions as well in some parts. The difference is that these conditions are not prevalent in the larger population centers. There are few places in Europe that have large populations, winter temperatures of -30 and summer temperatures of +40 like Chicago (for instance).</p>
<p>On top of this, Americans have a much different attitude towards maintenance compared to Scandinavians. I think that this has a lot to do with the relatively low price of cars in the US. Spending $4,000 to replace the front suspension on a $20,000 Contour just doesn&#8217;t go down well. I imagine that things are different when you are paying three to four times more for a new car.<br />
Faced with such an invoice, the average American would trade the car in immediately. This leads to low resale values, a bad reputation, and poor sales (which succinctly describes Ford&#8217;s non-truck business in the US).</p>
<p>Come to think of it, I hardly ever see any Contours anymore. I do see a lot of 10 year old Accords, Camrys and Impalas.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why the successful automakers (Toyota and Honda) sell entirely different models in North America. My point is that Ford should look at their past history of selling European cars in the US, and then look at what the Japanese are doing instead. It should be obvious to them that designing &#8220;world cars&#8221; can be no more than a stopgap measure, and that they should focus on tailoring their cars to the customers&#8217; needs in the longer term.</p>
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		<title>By: Kroum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kroum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, one ting that Bernard got spot on is the condition of the roads here. And I am not talking about dirt roads, but major highways - the roads in Toronto are in terrible shape, and our 4-5 month winters just destory any patched pothole. Montreal is worse.

The U.S. is much the same, except for some of the southern States with favourable climate (e.g. Florida) and/or billions of oil dollars (e.g. Texas). I have been all throughout Europe, and the roads in any given county - western or eastern Europe - are in far better shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, one ting that Bernard got spot on is the condition of the roads here. And I am not talking about dirt roads, but major highways &#8211; the roads in Toronto are in terrible shape, and our 4-5 month winters just destory any patched pothole. Montreal is worse.</p>
<p>The U.S. is much the same, except for some of the southern States with favourable climate (e.g. Florida) and/or billions of oil dollars (e.g. Texas). I have been all throughout Europe, and the roads in any given county &#8211; western or eastern Europe &#8211; are in far better shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tompa, we Americans use salt also.  The American south and southwest (and Florida) don&#039;t, because they don&#039;t have seasons, but everywhere else, the salt just devours cars.  That&#039;s why you see so many older cars in those areas: they don&#039;t have to put up with salt eating away at the undersides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tompa, we Americans use salt also.  The American south and southwest (and Florida) don&#8217;t, because they don&#8217;t have seasons, but everywhere else, the salt just devours cars.  That&#8217;s why you see so many older cars in those areas: they don&#8217;t have to put up with salt eating away at the undersides.</p>
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		<title>By: Tompa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tompa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard.. My european humble thoughts (and many probably with me) is that what you just wrote is something you should get out of your head real quick. Because you don´t seem to live in same world as the rest of us. Why? Continue reading...
In northern germany and the whole of the nordic countries SALT is used wintertime to keep the roads less icy. Thats a strain on cars, and therefor most european cars are built to last quite a long time though those situations. Old italian and american cars on the other hand dosen´t last long in ex Sweden. Where I live ( 110km north from Stockholm) temperatures wintertime drops to -20 to -30 from late december to march but change oil, filters and put a heater in the car and thats not a problem. Further north -40 or below is common. When it comes to realy hot climates there is sothern Spain, Portugal, Italy, Kroatia, Turkey, Greece etc that right now have temperatures betwen +40 to +50. Their cars seem to survive without any problems. When it comes to distances Swedes, norwegians and Fins would probably tell you to come for a normal days drive in our nations... Although Canada is a large nation and the US to.. You hardly drive from one coast to the other.. And if you live in the northern parts of these countries it´s not uncommon to drive 300km or more to and from work every single day...

And people with silly expensive cars often put their cars in their garage and take them out when the roads are clear due to the fact that the cars are just that.. silly expensive.

And the old Mondeo was a disaster I´ll give you that.. But it was a disaster here to. Just like the old Ford Fiesta, Ford Escort etc.
 
So please Bernard.. Look over the fence and get facts before you write.

Cheers from a very Swedish and European Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard.. My european humble thoughts (and many probably with me) is that what you just wrote is something you should get out of your head real quick. Because you don´t seem to live in same world as the rest of us. Why? Continue reading&#8230;<br />
In northern germany and the whole of the nordic countries SALT is used wintertime to keep the roads less icy. Thats a strain on cars, and therefor most european cars are built to last quite a long time though those situations. Old italian and american cars on the other hand dosen´t last long in ex Sweden. Where I live ( 110km north from Stockholm) temperatures wintertime drops to -20 to -30 from late december to march but change oil, filters and put a heater in the car and thats not a problem. Further north -40 or below is common. When it comes to realy hot climates there is sothern Spain, Portugal, Italy, Kroatia, Turkey, Greece etc that right now have temperatures betwen +40 to +50. Their cars seem to survive without any problems. When it comes to distances Swedes, norwegians and Fins would probably tell you to come for a normal days drive in our nations&#8230; Although Canada is a large nation and the US to.. You hardly drive from one coast to the other.. And if you live in the northern parts of these countries it´s not uncommon to drive 300km or more to and from work every single day&#8230;</p>
<p>And people with silly expensive cars often put their cars in their garage and take them out when the roads are clear due to the fact that the cars are just that.. silly expensive.</p>
<p>And the old Mondeo was a disaster I´ll give you that.. But it was a disaster here to. Just like the old Ford Fiesta, Ford Escort etc.</p>
<p>So please Bernard.. Look over the fence and get facts before you write.</p>
<p>Cheers from a very Swedish and European Tom</p>
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		<title>By: No.9</title>
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		<dc:creator>No.9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. If you ask me humanity is divided into the following. Those who sail and those who don&#039;t. Can&#039;t be bothered with the ethnical stuff :)

2. I saw my first &lt;em&gt;Ford Flex&lt;/em&gt; yesterday. What a shock! It already looks 20 years old...and it&#039;s an overweight, underpowered gas guzzler, again. Ford can only get better by building some of it&#039;s European cars in NA...and fast. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2009_Ford_Flex_Limited.jpg
3. Intresting comment about Fiat which I forgot to add on my 9-1 post. When you look at what Fiat did with GM&#039;s 2 billion $, makes you wonder what could have been accomplished had GM stuck it out. But then, perhaps it was just to much of a culture shock for them to work together, although they did form a successful alliance building diesels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. If you ask me humanity is divided into the following. Those who sail and those who don&#8217;t. Can&#8217;t be bothered with the ethnical stuff <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>2. I saw my first <em>Ford Flex</em> yesterday. What a shock! It already looks 20 years old&#8230;and it&#8217;s an overweight, underpowered gas guzzler, again. Ford can only get better by building some of it&#8217;s European cars in NA&#8230;and fast. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2009_Ford_Flex_Limited.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2009_Ford_Flex_Limited.jpg</a><br />
3. Intresting comment about Fiat which I forgot to add on my 9-1 post. When you look at what Fiat did with GM&#8217;s 2 billion $, makes you wonder what could have been accomplished had GM stuck it out. But then, perhaps it was just to much of a culture shock for them to work together, although they did form a successful alliance building diesels.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford has tried the &quot;World Car&quot; concept a few times already, and it hasn&#039;t worked. North American driving conditions are just not suitable for most European cars: the winters are colder, the summers are warmer, the distances are longer, and the roads are much much worse.

This led to cars like the Contour (European Mondeo), which had a terrible reputation for reliability because its suspension would fall apart after going over a few potholes (something you can&#039;t avoid anywhere north of Texas). Nobody in the Midwest wants to spend thousands on control arms just so they can save hundreds on gas.

Here in Canada, BMW&#039;s and Mercedes&#039;s dissappear after the first snowfall and reappear around Easter. That includes SUV&#039;s like the X5 and GL.
That may be fine for the people who can afford it, but it just won&#039;t work with Ford&#039;s middle class target market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford has tried the &#8220;World Car&#8221; concept a few times already, and it hasn&#8217;t worked. North American driving conditions are just not suitable for most European cars: the winters are colder, the summers are warmer, the distances are longer, and the roads are much much worse.</p>
<p>This led to cars like the Contour (European Mondeo), which had a terrible reputation for reliability because its suspension would fall apart after going over a few potholes (something you can&#8217;t avoid anywhere north of Texas). Nobody in the Midwest wants to spend thousands on control arms just so they can save hundreds on gas.</p>
<p>Here in Canada, BMW&#8217;s and Mercedes&#8217;s dissappear after the first snowfall and reappear around Easter. That includes SUV&#8217;s like the X5 and GL.<br />
That may be fine for the people who can afford it, but it just won&#8217;t work with Ford&#8217;s middle class target market.</p>
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		<title>By: Tompa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tompa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you that don´t know the story behind the production of the Sonett II and III..
The cars were made in a facility that used to make railway carts (ASJ). It was bought by Saab because the building had traks upon wich the carts were assembled thus making it ideal also for making cars the Henry Ford way.. The problem for Saab was that the supportbeams for the roof was in the way of production and therefor some genius decided to hack away at them. This ofcourse resulted in that the whole structure began to shift.. :-O
Somebody at Saab then went over to a neighbouring cementfactory and asked if they could put up the supportbeams against their building.. Production could continue..
This is what I´ve heard, but maybe it´s a myth in bits.

/Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you that don´t know the story behind the production of the Sonett II and III..<br />
The cars were made in a facility that used to make railway carts (ASJ). It was bought by Saab because the building had traks upon wich the carts were assembled thus making it ideal also for making cars the Henry Ford way.. The problem for Saab was that the supportbeams for the roof was in the way of production and therefor some genius decided to hack away at them. This ofcourse resulted in that the whole structure began to shift.. :-O<br />
Somebody at Saab then went over to a neighbouring cementfactory and asked if they could put up the supportbeams against their building.. Production could continue..<br />
This is what I´ve heard, but maybe it´s a myth in bits.</p>
<p>/Tom</p>
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		<title>By: ctm</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot&#039;s of wish we were 100% Danish... ;)

And if we didn&#039;t became Swedish 1658 (350 years ago this year!), that old wagon factory in Södertälje would probably not have merged with that small wagon factory Scania. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot&#8217;s of wish we were 100% Danish&#8230; <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And if we didn&#8217;t became Swedish 1658 (350 years ago this year!), that old wagon factory in Södertälje would probably not have merged with that small wagon factory Scania. <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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