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	<title>Comments on: Saab 9-3 to be built on Delta &#8211; from the horse&#8217;s mouth</title>
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		<title>By: Jorgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds great, as long as they make a 3dr hatch and sedans with small displacements no bigger than 2.0T</description>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much I don&#039;t know i never trust Aftonbladet but Robert Collin has been correct before when it comes to information from Saab and its plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much I don&#8217;t know i never trust Aftonbladet but Robert Collin has been correct before when it comes to information from Saab and its plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tobias:  Iguess you mean this: http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/article2423144.ab
But how much can we trust a tabloid?

progolf:  I think you&#039;re pretty accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tobias:  Iguess you mean this: <a href="http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/article2423144.ab" rel="nofollow">http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/article2423144.ab</a><br />
But how much can we trust a tabloid?</p>
<p>progolf:  I think you&#8217;re pretty accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: progolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>progolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the wheelbase:
1. Astra 5door: 261 cm
2. Astra Wagon: 270 cm
3. SAAB 9-5: 270 cm
4. SAAB 9-3: 267 cm
Astra Wagon has the same wheelbase as the current 9-5. Will the Delta 2 become smaller? I doubt it. Just more flexible! Will the next 9-3 become smaller? I doubt it. It will have more space inside though! The Astra is almost the same size as the current 9-3. Vectra (Insignia) is growing in size, next 9-5 will be much bigger. Next gen Astra will probably have more space and be wider, maybe not longer, but wider. That&#039;s probably what will happen to the 9-3 based on Delta 2. Not longer, but wider to allow more space inside. 
Next 9-5 will be about 490 cm, 9-3 about 460 cm and new 9-1 about 430 cm. There you have it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the wheelbase:<br />
1. Astra 5door: 261 cm<br />
2. Astra Wagon: 270 cm<br />
3. SAAB 9-5: 270 cm<br />
4. SAAB 9-3: 267 cm<br />
Astra Wagon has the same wheelbase as the current 9-5. Will the Delta 2 become smaller? I doubt it. Just more flexible! Will the next 9-3 become smaller? I doubt it. It will have more space inside though! The Astra is almost the same size as the current 9-3. Vectra (Insignia) is growing in size, next 9-5 will be much bigger. Next gen Astra will probably have more space and be wider, maybe not longer, but wider. That&#8217;s probably what will happen to the 9-3 based on Delta 2. Not longer, but wider to allow more space inside.<br />
Next 9-5 will be about 490 cm, 9-3 about 460 cm and new 9-1 about 430 cm. There you have it!</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I repost this one because I&#039;m not sure everybody read it. From a Swedish newspaper, they are stating that 9-3 will come in four forms sedan kombi, cabrio and as a hatch (called maybe 9-2 because it will be a bitt smaller)...

The new car from Trollhättan is an old classic in new form
The Saab 9-1, 9-2 or 9-3 what kind of car is to be produced in Trollhättan from 2011. Aftonbladet (Swedish sort of newspaper, tabloid) reveals that the new 9-3 and 9-2 is virtually the same car. The 9-2 is a hatch back and the only thing to differ from the 9-3 is the rear end.

When Trollhättan lost the battle in 2005 for the future 9-3 and 9-5 things were dark in Trollhättan. GM promised that the company would remain as a niche manufactory didn’t give much comfort. Many workers would be unemployed and Saab would be gone from Sweden. But soon Aftonbladet could reveal (yeah right) that Saab developed a new smaller car that was supposed to be manufactured in Trollhättan. The factory was saved and plans were made for 40 000 small Saabs and capacity should be filled with its sibling Opel Astra.

This winter things changed, the talk about global warming gave GM cold feet. The cars consumed too much fuel they were too big and heavy. Downsizing and scale down got important and someone come to the conclusion that the future 9-3 should be smaller and based on the lighter architecture that is found in the future smaller Saab. The 9-3 is moving to Trollhättan and Aftonbladet can reveal that the future 9-3 and the smaller Saab is virtually the same car.
9-3 will be 4-doors sedan, cabriolet and a kombi. The 9-2 will be a hatchback about half meter shorter than the 9-3.

The result is that the 9-3 shrinks a bit and the 9-2 gains a couple of centimetres and would be a bit bigger than Golf and Astra. Production of the 9-2 and Astra begins in 2011 and the 9-3 follows the next year. 

A cheer of joy in Trollhättan but things in Rüsselsheim is dark. They were sure of three new models. Two models will disappear from production in Rüsselsheim and about 100 000 cars per year. You can count on big protest from the German union if this is realised. What happens to the 9-1? The name and car will have to wait for a new smaller car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I repost this one because I&#8217;m not sure everybody read it. From a Swedish newspaper, they are stating that 9-3 will come in four forms sedan kombi, cabrio and as a hatch (called maybe 9-2 because it will be a bitt smaller)&#8230;</p>
<p>The new car from Trollhättan is an old classic in new form<br />
The Saab 9-1, 9-2 or 9-3 what kind of car is to be produced in Trollhättan from 2011. Aftonbladet (Swedish sort of newspaper, tabloid) reveals that the new 9-3 and 9-2 is virtually the same car. The 9-2 is a hatch back and the only thing to differ from the 9-3 is the rear end.</p>
<p>When Trollhättan lost the battle in 2005 for the future 9-3 and 9-5 things were dark in Trollhättan. GM promised that the company would remain as a niche manufactory didn’t give much comfort. Many workers would be unemployed and Saab would be gone from Sweden. But soon Aftonbladet could reveal (yeah right) that Saab developed a new smaller car that was supposed to be manufactured in Trollhättan. The factory was saved and plans were made for 40 000 small Saabs and capacity should be filled with its sibling Opel Astra.</p>
<p>This winter things changed, the talk about global warming gave GM cold feet. The cars consumed too much fuel they were too big and heavy. Downsizing and scale down got important and someone come to the conclusion that the future 9-3 should be smaller and based on the lighter architecture that is found in the future smaller Saab. The 9-3 is moving to Trollhättan and Aftonbladet can reveal that the future 9-3 and the smaller Saab is virtually the same car.<br />
9-3 will be 4-doors sedan, cabriolet and a kombi. The 9-2 will be a hatchback about half meter shorter than the 9-3.</p>
<p>The result is that the 9-3 shrinks a bit and the 9-2 gains a couple of centimetres and would be a bit bigger than Golf and Astra. Production of the 9-2 and Astra begins in 2011 and the 9-3 follows the next year. </p>
<p>A cheer of joy in Trollhättan but things in Rüsselsheim is dark. They were sure of three new models. Two models will disappear from production in Rüsselsheim and about 100 000 cars per year. You can count on big protest from the German union if this is realised. What happens to the 9-1? The name and car will have to wait for a new smaller car.</p>
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		<title>By: ck1x</title>
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		<dc:creator>ck1x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this info pertaining to the new Delta platform  on the website &quot;All cars All the time&quot; If what they are saying is true and all these cars do end up being derived from the same base. Then we have nothing to worry about for our beloved Next-gen 9-3 then. This new platform should prove to be an adaptable and expandible one for the forseeable future&gt;&gt;

Automotive News cites a number of vehicles projected to be spawned from Delta II:


Chevrolet Volt
Minivan-like vehicle for Chevrolet in 2009
Seven passenger minivan that will replace the Opel Zafira
All-new Saturn Astra in 2009 or 2010
Daewoo-badged model for South Korea
Chevrolet for Europe
Premium Buick for China
Unnamed models for Africa and South America
Possible Saab model

Chevrolet really doesn&#039;t like the &quot;minivan-like&quot; moniker, describing its future vehicle as being more crossover/sporty in nature. Certainly the minivan sector&#039;s spiral of death has something to due with GM&#039;s sensitivity. As for the Saturn Astra, I really get concerned with quotes such as this one from vehicle line director Peter Mertens


&quot;Regional brands and models will be differentiated by powertrains, safety features, standard equipment and chassis tuning. If you drive them next to each other, you will certainly see there is a difference in chassis performance between an Opel and a Chevy or between a Buick and a Chevy. Each is engineered to compete against very specific competitors.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this info pertaining to the new Delta platform  on the website &#8220;All cars All the time&#8221; If what they are saying is true and all these cars do end up being derived from the same base. Then we have nothing to worry about for our beloved Next-gen 9-3 then. This new platform should prove to be an adaptable and expandible one for the forseeable future&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Automotive News cites a number of vehicles projected to be spawned from Delta II:</p>
<p>Chevrolet Volt<br />
Minivan-like vehicle for Chevrolet in 2009<br />
Seven passenger minivan that will replace the Opel Zafira<br />
All-new Saturn Astra in 2009 or 2010<br />
Daewoo-badged model for South Korea<br />
Chevrolet for Europe<br />
Premium Buick for China<br />
Unnamed models for Africa and South America<br />
Possible Saab model</p>
<p>Chevrolet really doesn&#8217;t like the &#8220;minivan-like&#8221; moniker, describing its future vehicle as being more crossover/sporty in nature. Certainly the minivan sector&#8217;s spiral of death has something to due with GM&#8217;s sensitivity. As for the Saturn Astra, I really get concerned with quotes such as this one from vehicle line director Peter Mertens</p>
<p>&#8220;Regional brands and models will be differentiated by powertrains, safety features, standard equipment and chassis tuning. If you drive them next to each other, you will certainly see there is a difference in chassis performance between an Opel and a Chevy or between a Buick and a Chevy. Each is engineered to compete against very specific competitors.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: edusaab</title>
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		<dc:creator>edusaab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 15:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The is one signal that is very clear in this decision and many other on the Automotive Sector. Now is the begining of the decadence of the sector and the Automobile and is the begining of the way that the car is becoming a &quot;commoditie&quot;, a computer, were the requirements of reducing consumption, costs and standarization is transforming the car a commoditie, like the computers. 

Also that we are facing a resources crisis, capital, commodities, water and other resources are limited and the search of the higher efficiency is the key, everything that is unnecessary will be eliminated. The car will be more rational than passion.

And with this decision its a good probe of that. The search of a smaller, lighter architecture to save costs, emissions and so, instead of looking for the best performer in technical matters.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The is one signal that is very clear in this decision and many other on the Automotive Sector. Now is the begining of the decadence of the sector and the Automobile and is the begining of the way that the car is becoming a &#8220;commoditie&#8221;, a computer, were the requirements of reducing consumption, costs and standarization is transforming the car a commoditie, like the computers. </p>
<p>Also that we are facing a resources crisis, capital, commodities, water and other resources are limited and the search of the higher efficiency is the key, everything that is unnecessary will be eliminated. The car will be more rational than passion.</p>
<p>And with this decision its a good probe of that. The search of a smaller, lighter architecture to save costs, emissions and so, instead of looking for the best performer in technical matters.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Markac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorgen:  No Saab is scheduled for the Corsa&#039;s platform.  It would probably be a Saab 9-0.5 if it was to happen.  Best to wait for a new Astra sized 9-1 hatch, or wait a bit longer for the next 9-3 which could also come in hatch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorgen:  No Saab is scheduled for the Corsa&#8217;s platform.  It would probably be a Saab 9-0.5 if it was to happen.  Best to wait for a new Astra sized 9-1 hatch, or wait a bit longer for the next 9-3 which could also come in hatch.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What platform is the Corsa on?
Might we see a Saab off that ?, even if just a 3 door hatch, convert and Xwd.

I just need a nice replacement for my GM900SE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What platform is the Corsa on?<br />
Might we see a Saab off that ?, even if just a 3 door hatch, convert and Xwd.</p>
<p>I just need a nice replacement for my GM900SE.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 11:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BaRa,
&quot;The thing I hang on to is that the 9-3 uses the same platform as “that little one from Opel”.&quot;

Well, if you call one of the biggest car in the class &quot;that little one&quot;, you&#039;re right ;) I&#039;m pretty sure the Vectra is bigger than the 9-5, anyway.
(And again, I&#039;m referring to the inside of the car since I seldom ride on the outside of cars)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BaRa,<br />
&#8220;The thing I hang on to is that the 9-3 uses the same platform as “that little one from Opel”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if you call one of the biggest car in the class &#8220;that little one&#8221;, you&#8217;re right <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m pretty sure the Vectra is bigger than the 9-5, anyway.<br />
(And again, I&#8217;m referring to the inside of the car since I seldom ride on the outside of cars)</p>
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