Automotive Theory - part 2 - Spacial awareness



Part 1 of the automotive theory series was focused on the humanity of great cars and why it’s possible to love them. Just between you an me, I consider it to be the best piece of writing I’ve done here for some time.

Today’s instalment in the automotive theory series (I think it’s turning into a series) actually comes from ctm, our mate in Sweden. He brought up the Skoda Superb the other day, whose hatch/trunk I posted about earlier. This also concerns the Skoda and its relationship to VAG’s other brands.

The parallels with GM will speak for themselves.

Take it away, ctm…..

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I came across a short review of the new Skoda Superb (sibling to the VW Passat and Audi A4). The reviewer is one of the more well-known auto journalists in Sweden, and he made some interesting remarks.

He talks about cannibalism - that is, the risk that one brand takes customers from another brand within the same company. I have long wondered just how VW is going to manage this, since all three non-premium brands (VW, Skoda, Seat) are moving up the premium scale.

He compares this Skoda with the new VW Passat CC, and notes how they share the technology under the hood but also how loads of stuff in the interior is the same in both cars. He compares the price of a Skoda Superb with an Audi A4. The Audi starts around 25% higher - and that’s for a car that actually shares components with the Superb. The DSG gearbox costs an extra 15,000 SEK on the Skoda but over 20,000 SEK extra on the Audi. And it’s the same gearbox. You also have the same engines to choose from as with the Audi. So he questions if all this stuff is worth the higher price in the Audi.

It’s an interesting dilemma. Skoda was considered “communist crap” only 20 years ago, but today it’s a really good car and they sell like hot cakes in Western Europe. That is thanks to VW, but how are they going to deal with it in the end?

I’m thinking the same about Cadillac. You know what we in Europe think about American cars like Cadillac. But what if they succeed in doing something useful with it? That IS what they want to do, otherwise they wouldn’t spend so much money on things like the BLS.

And then there is Opel. The real test comes now when both Saab and Opel are integrated, are being built in the same factories, share loads of components, and present new models based on the same platform at about the same time. How many “oh, but it’s just a premium Opel” quotes are we all going to have to read in every review? There hasn’t been much of that in Sweden, since the 9-3 is based on such old Opel parts that it’s almost forgotten, and the 9-5 is just - well, an old quirky Saab. :-)

The bottom line: they will have to deliver something truly unique to Saab if people are going to continue to pay a higher price for it. But the uniqueness is probably not going to be in engines and gearboxes. Since they cost so much to develop they will want all brands to use them. So what will Saab get that is unique?

Safety? - “Oh yeah, we know how to do build a very safe car, but we’re not going to give that to those who buy an Opel. You will just have to sustain more injuries in an accident. Sorry.”

That will go down like a lead balloon, I’m sure.

Design? - Probably, but what is good design is not easy to measure on a scale. It could easily go wrong.

Technology and gadgets? - Probably, but they better get the quality right from the beginning.

He ends the Skoda review with an interesting remark. It’s a sedan - and a hatchback. They made a clever hatch, one that I was hoping to see in a new Saab. You can open the lower part as on a normal sedan, but also turn some switch and open it as a full hatch. Being Swedish, it wasn’t a long stretch to relate it to Saab:

“…Saab owners who live in a nostalgic dream of a hatchback could be turned on by Skoda’s clever solution where you get two models for the price of one”.

It’s gonna be a looong 15 months before the new models arrive…

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    • Jeff said:

      The A4/Superb thing sounds a lot like what GM tried to do in the 80s. It’s what earned them the whole “same cars, different prices” reputation. Gotta say, though, I can’t say much about this since they don’t sell Skodas here.

    • eggsngrits (Author) said:

      Jeff is right. Badge engineering isn’t the answer in the long run.

      ctm is also right: perceptions change and cars change. Some for the better, some of the worse.

      I’ve said it before: Cadillac will be successful in Europe, it’s just a matter of time. Why? they will be persistent, and the cars are darn good.

      If we could say that (persistent and good) about Saab in the US, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, would we?

    • Mats said:

      There’s a difference between Badge Engineering (putting a different name on another brands car, like the 9-2X) and platform sharing/commonality of parts that has little impact on how the -average- user regards his car. We’re all car freaks here to one degree or another and as such we’re not ,how much we yet think we are, average users.

      That VW/Audi/Skoda shares parts and platforms is in my opinion not a big deal, why I’m not sure. Maybe it’s because they’ve been doing it for the last 20-25 years that makes it not such a “big deal”? I dont know but it’s an interesting subjet to discuss… As a car owner I’m more into VW’s than Saab’s but living in Trollhattan and having worked at Saab….it’s gets under your skin….

    • albert said:

      This discussion is a discussion that bothered a lot of customers. But not anymore. Yes the former Passat, A4 and Superb shared their platform. And a lot of people wondered why they should pay more for an A4. And bought a Passat, or may be not, because they fell for the better quality interior.
      With the current generation there is however the A4 at one side and the Passat/Superb on the other side (longitudinal engine vs transversal).
      BTW anyone interested why there is a Superb? VW built the Passat in China with a longer wheelbase and the Czech government wanted their own ministerial car. So take the China Passat and the Skoda nose and there you have it. If its true?

      About the trunk lid on the new Superb? I think it’s stupid. If you have a hatch, why would you want to use only a part of it? The same goes for cars that have a hatch with a window that you can open.

    • Ying Zhang said:

      The difference between VAG and GM is.

      (At least people perceive), VAG vehicles share high quality components, people think of Skodas like a good value Audi, because it uses ‘Audi’ parts.

      In the case of GM, they used cheap crap parts, so your Saab is like a ‘dressed up’ Opel, more expensive but the same crap.

      So you see, it’s not platform sharing that’s the problem, it’s that quality in design and manufacturing makes a (perceived) difference.

    • sam said:

      It will be a challenge for Saab to ensure that there is enough premium content in its cars to make the increased price worth it to customers. But it is the same challenge that every car maker faces, since (almost) every car maker has a premium division that uses a common platform with lower priced cars. I actually think that it is a good thing, in that it forces car manufacturers to provide more content for the money, and not just rely on the brand name to command a higher price.

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