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	<title>Comments on: Why SaabUSA should get Hirsch on the phone&#8230;.now</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah they&#039;ve got something, but that something isn&#039;t the kind of awe-inspiring performance that people expect from Saab these days.

I guess I&#039;d respect Hirsch more if I saw them decide to get their hands dirty and graduate from ECU reflashes, simple bolt-ons and interior mods.  They&#039;re nice but there&#039;s not much that&#039;s especially inspiring to me at least, though I haven&#039;t actually seen or driven one of the damn things (thanks Saab USA!).  I&#039;m much more impressed by Maptun&#039;s 6-speed gearset for the 9-5, Taliaferro&#039;s various goodies and Abbott&#039;s Viggin rescue kit.  That&#039;s what tuning&#039;s all about, and I really want to see Hirsch do a complete car with that level of mechanical work.

Hell even a race car would be nice to see, like a  Hirsch 9-3SS touring car, or a 9-3 Aero XWD hill-climb car to beat the Saab Pike&#039;s Peak record.  Along with their existing lineup, those sorts of things would bring some much-needed external publicity to people who AREN&#039;T SAAB-O-PHILES!  Given Saab&#039;s current situation, I think it&#039;s pretty obvious that attention and good PR should be priority 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah they&#8217;ve got something, but that something isn&#8217;t the kind of awe-inspiring performance that people expect from Saab these days.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d respect Hirsch more if I saw them decide to get their hands dirty and graduate from ECU reflashes, simple bolt-ons and interior mods.  They&#8217;re nice but there&#8217;s not much that&#8217;s especially inspiring to me at least, though I haven&#8217;t actually seen or driven one of the damn things (thanks Saab USA!).  I&#8217;m much more impressed by Maptun&#8217;s 6-speed gearset for the 9-5, Taliaferro&#8217;s various goodies and Abbott&#8217;s Viggin rescue kit.  That&#8217;s what tuning&#8217;s all about, and I really want to see Hirsch do a complete car with that level of mechanical work.</p>
<p>Hell even a race car would be nice to see, like a  Hirsch 9-3SS touring car, or a 9-3 Aero XWD hill-climb car to beat the Saab Pike&#8217;s Peak record.  Along with their existing lineup, those sorts of things would bring some much-needed external publicity to people who AREN&#8217;T SAAB-O-PHILES!  Given Saab&#8217;s current situation, I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious that attention and good PR should be priority 1.</p>
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		<title>By: swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, I fail to see how I&#039;ve dug a hole in any way.  Like many things, I think we&#039;re approaching this issue from very different angles.  

You seem to want Hirsch to do something outlandish.  I prefer them just the way they are, except distributed and marketed.  

They&#039;re distinctive enough products and they don&#039;t need to stand out like trucknuts to be appreciated.  See one in a showroom and there&#039;s enough there to let you know it&#039;s got something.  Drive one and you&#039;ll definitely know it&#039;s got something.

Hirsch are all ready to go from what I&#039;ve heard.  They just need SaabUSA to open the gates, which SaabUSA don&#039;t see the value in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I fail to see how I&#8217;ve dug a hole in any way.  Like many things, I think we&#8217;re approaching this issue from very different angles.  </p>
<p>You seem to want Hirsch to do something outlandish.  I prefer them just the way they are, except distributed and marketed.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re distinctive enough products and they don&#8217;t need to stand out like trucknuts to be appreciated.  See one in a showroom and there&#8217;s enough there to let you know it&#8217;s got something.  Drive one and you&#8217;ll definitely know it&#8217;s got something.</p>
<p>Hirsch are all ready to go from what I&#8217;ve heard.  They just need SaabUSA to open the gates, which SaabUSA don&#8217;t see the value in.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh ho-ho Swade, looks like you dug yerself a hole with this one... :P

You just pointed out Hirsch&#039;s greatest strength, as well as it&#039;s greatest failing.  Hirsch makes some phenomenally high-quality interior parts, parts that are easily OEM grade if not better than what Saab sells in their new cars.  There is no reason why the Hirsch leather or carbon dash and interior treatments can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t be available on every Saab at the dealership.

And that&#039;s the problem with Hirsch in my eyes, they just don&#039;t do anything that really jumps out to people who aren&#039;t Saab lunatics.  Sure we can all look at a Hirsch car and appreciate that it&#039;s not stock, but to the average car enthusiast, even the most extreme Hirsch car just looks like it has an overpriced ECU reflash.

Personally I&#039;d love to see Hirsch go all-out and do a concept that can stand up to some of the other cars that companies like Heico, Brabus, Dinan, Alpina, Kleeman, etc build.  A 9-3 Aero XWD with forged internals, a FMIC, A large G-series turbo, custom wheels, Brembo brakes, coilovers and adjustable-damping shocks with the obligatory chassis bracing would be a great place to start.  Throw in the excellent Hirsch interior and maybe some Recaro seats in the vein of the 9000 Aero seats and a suitably aggressive body kit and you&#039;d really be cooking.  Build it as a wagon and you&#039;d really attract some serious publicity to the brand.  Saab really needs to catch the eye of people who AREN&#039;T Saab maniacs and become an object of desire to more than just the TS readership.  A real balls-to-the-wall concept car from Hirsch would be a great (and reasonably cheap) way to pull this off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh ho-ho Swade, looks like you dug yerself a hole with this one&#8230; <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You just pointed out Hirsch&#8217;s greatest strength, as well as it&#8217;s greatest failing.  Hirsch makes some phenomenally high-quality interior parts, parts that are easily OEM grade if not better than what Saab sells in their new cars.  There is no reason why the Hirsch leather or carbon dash and interior treatments can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t be available on every Saab at the dealership.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the problem with Hirsch in my eyes, they just don&#8217;t do anything that really jumps out to people who aren&#8217;t Saab lunatics.  Sure we can all look at a Hirsch car and appreciate that it&#8217;s not stock, but to the average car enthusiast, even the most extreme Hirsch car just looks like it has an overpriced ECU reflash.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d love to see Hirsch go all-out and do a concept that can stand up to some of the other cars that companies like Heico, Brabus, Dinan, Alpina, Kleeman, etc build.  A 9-3 Aero XWD with forged internals, a FMIC, A large G-series turbo, custom wheels, Brembo brakes, coilovers and adjustable-damping shocks with the obligatory chassis bracing would be a great place to start.  Throw in the excellent Hirsch interior and maybe some Recaro seats in the vein of the 9000 Aero seats and a suitably aggressive body kit and you&#8217;d really be cooking.  Build it as a wagon and you&#8217;d really attract some serious publicity to the brand.  Saab really needs to catch the eye of people who AREN&#8217;T Saab maniacs and become an object of desire to more than just the TS readership.  A real balls-to-the-wall concept car from Hirsch would be a great (and reasonably cheap) way to pull this off.</p>
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		<title>By: shard</title>
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		<dc:creator>shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hirsch is supposed to have something or somethings for the Turbo X in May...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hirsch is supposed to have something or somethings for the Turbo X in May&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Aero in the UK does not have the the batwings as standard. They have to be ticked in the options box. Thankfully, they are not forced upon us. The leather wheel is SO much nicer to hold and look at. If only it was smaller!!!

I do not understand why Saabs have such a large steering wheel.

As for the gearchanges. I think the improvement between the &#039;07 model and &#039;08 models is massive with the 6 speeder on the V6. Alas, it still lags behind the competition. I don&#039;t think GM actually have one decent gearbox in the entire firm! They should think about bringing in Getrag or someone similar methinks.

A DSG type gearbox would be just awesome.

The problem here maybe just two things, but, these two things are probably the most intimate tools when it comes to driving. The gearbox and steering setups are what tell us what the car is doing. Not only that, they are two of the key elements that allow us to tell the car what WE want it to do. If one feels detached from that, then one will have a detatched experience from the off. Heck, even Audi have improved their steering feel!! Which, with all honesty, REALLY needed improving.

The 9-3 steering is direct, and there is a bit of feel there, but it doesn&#039;t feel as connected as say a BMW or a Mercedes C class.

I LOVE the new Merc C class in sport guise. Looks fabulous and is supposed to be a match if not better than the BMW 3 series in almost all areas.

The 9-3 is now lagging behind, not just because of the interior, but also because its rivals have moved the game on.

The new Audi A4 is now here, the BMW 3 series will always be a deity to magazines, and the new Merc C-Class has arrived and is fabulous.

A new 9-3 is still at least two years away, and XWD or not, that is a long long time.

There are a number of quick fixes that could perhaps help the 9-3. One of them is what Swade, myself and many others have been trying to get Saab and GM to see for what feels like a millenia. HIRSCH LEATHER DASH!! This one single addition would boost the interior quality perception by a massive amount!

The steering rack and gearbox are bigger fish. And I don&#039;t think they will be changed until the new model, but they need updating.

I doubt the jiggly ride that is a bug bear of a few journalists (one which I find hard to replicate in my own Saab, perhaps they have marbles in the rear pockets?) will ever be fixed, and could be a psychological remnant of the Vectra hating section of the press, forever holding the image of a standard Epsilon 1 platform in their ape like minds. One example of this is Dan Stevens comment in his review of the Turbo X, stating that the underpinnings of the 9-3 were from the previous generation Vectra!! How utterly wrong was that comment. Problem is, if he is thinking that, then his mind has already made up the fact that the car will not be any good.

The 9-3 platform is a modified version of the current Epsilon, not the previous Vectra. Virtual slap to Autocar.

GM, sort out your geaboxes, please. It has always been a complaint of journalists and owners alike.

So, checklist to make the current 9-3 truly great?

HIRSCH!!! LEATHER!!! DASH!!!

Smaller, more tactile steering wheel, without wings please.

New steering rack with better feeling of connection to the wheels.

NEW GEARBOX!! Short throw and chunky please. Heck, have it wired into the speakers to make that &#039;kerchunk&#039; sound that one hears in the fast and the furious :) that would be cool. On a more serious note, just make a good one. Short throw, chunky.....Short throw, chunky......Short throw, chunky. Keep thinking that when you design the next one!

Hire me to sort things out for you :) :)

I think large corporations take market research too seriously now-a-days. A lot of common sense has dissappeared. Companies are detached from what the consumer really wants. All surveys can be skewed to a degree. Too much blind faith in a brand that will not succeed (uhum *cough* caddy *cough*) in a demographic that doesn&#039;t want it is wasted effort that could give us things like decent gearboxes and steering racks.

And you know what would REALLY make me happy....................XWD on the &#039;vert dagnabbit!! Just not fair we will never see it for this 9-3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Aero in the UK does not have the the batwings as standard. They have to be ticked in the options box. Thankfully, they are not forced upon us. The leather wheel is SO much nicer to hold and look at. If only it was smaller!!!</p>
<p>I do not understand why Saabs have such a large steering wheel.</p>
<p>As for the gearchanges. I think the improvement between the &#8217;07 model and &#8217;08 models is massive with the 6 speeder on the V6. Alas, it still lags behind the competition. I don&#8217;t think GM actually have one decent gearbox in the entire firm! They should think about bringing in Getrag or someone similar methinks.</p>
<p>A DSG type gearbox would be just awesome.</p>
<p>The problem here maybe just two things, but, these two things are probably the most intimate tools when it comes to driving. The gearbox and steering setups are what tell us what the car is doing. Not only that, they are two of the key elements that allow us to tell the car what WE want it to do. If one feels detached from that, then one will have a detatched experience from the off. Heck, even Audi have improved their steering feel!! Which, with all honesty, REALLY needed improving.</p>
<p>The 9-3 steering is direct, and there is a bit of feel there, but it doesn&#8217;t feel as connected as say a BMW or a Mercedes C class.</p>
<p>I LOVE the new Merc C class in sport guise. Looks fabulous and is supposed to be a match if not better than the BMW 3 series in almost all areas.</p>
<p>The 9-3 is now lagging behind, not just because of the interior, but also because its rivals have moved the game on.</p>
<p>The new Audi A4 is now here, the BMW 3 series will always be a deity to magazines, and the new Merc C-Class has arrived and is fabulous.</p>
<p>A new 9-3 is still at least two years away, and XWD or not, that is a long long time.</p>
<p>There are a number of quick fixes that could perhaps help the 9-3. One of them is what Swade, myself and many others have been trying to get Saab and GM to see for what feels like a millenia. HIRSCH LEATHER DASH!! This one single addition would boost the interior quality perception by a massive amount!</p>
<p>The steering rack and gearbox are bigger fish. And I don&#8217;t think they will be changed until the new model, but they need updating.</p>
<p>I doubt the jiggly ride that is a bug bear of a few journalists (one which I find hard to replicate in my own Saab, perhaps they have marbles in the rear pockets?) will ever be fixed, and could be a psychological remnant of the Vectra hating section of the press, forever holding the image of a standard Epsilon 1 platform in their ape like minds. One example of this is Dan Stevens comment in his review of the Turbo X, stating that the underpinnings of the 9-3 were from the previous generation Vectra!! How utterly wrong was that comment. Problem is, if he is thinking that, then his mind has already made up the fact that the car will not be any good.</p>
<p>The 9-3 platform is a modified version of the current Epsilon, not the previous Vectra. Virtual slap to Autocar.</p>
<p>GM, sort out your geaboxes, please. It has always been a complaint of journalists and owners alike.</p>
<p>So, checklist to make the current 9-3 truly great?</p>
<p>HIRSCH!!! LEATHER!!! DASH!!!</p>
<p>Smaller, more tactile steering wheel, without wings please.</p>
<p>New steering rack with better feeling of connection to the wheels.</p>
<p>NEW GEARBOX!! Short throw and chunky please. Heck, have it wired into the speakers to make that &#8216;kerchunk&#8217; sound that one hears in the fast and the furious <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  that would be cool. On a more serious note, just make a good one. Short throw, chunky&#8230;..Short throw, chunky&#8230;&#8230;Short throw, chunky. Keep thinking that when you design the next one!</p>
<p>Hire me to sort things out for you <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think large corporations take market research too seriously now-a-days. A lot of common sense has dissappeared. Companies are detached from what the consumer really wants. All surveys can be skewed to a degree. Too much blind faith in a brand that will not succeed (uhum *cough* caddy *cough*) in a demographic that doesn&#8217;t want it is wasted effort that could give us things like decent gearboxes and steering racks.</p>
<p>And you know what would REALLY make me happy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..XWD on the &#8216;vert dagnabbit!! Just not fair we will never see it for this 9-3.</p>
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		<title>By: gildedsplinters</title>
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		<dc:creator>gildedsplinters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE at least make the interior bits available to start! My 06 Aero SC dash could use the love, and my hands would be much happier reaching for a leather wrapped door pull instead of GM parts bin plastic...they have enough of that with the batwing steering wheel. Then wheels, tuner parts, etc... saab is missing out on a market that is there, however small, it is there and loyal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE at least make the interior bits available to start! My 06 Aero SC dash could use the love, and my hands would be much happier reaching for a leather wrapped door pull instead of GM parts bin plastic&#8230;they have enough of that with the batwing steering wheel. Then wheels, tuner parts, etc&#8230; saab is missing out on a market that is there, however small, it is there and loyal.</p>
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		<title>By: swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Turbo X doesn&#039;t have the batwings.  Just black leather, the way all steering wheels should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Turbo X doesn&#8217;t have the batwings.  Just black leather, the way all steering wheels should be.</p>
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		<title>By: cdp88</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdp88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As great as those Hirsch interior bits looks I think they are let down by that steering wheel. 

I just can&#039;t bring myself to like the aluminium inserts on the current aero steering wheel. I haven&#039;t touched it but i like the leather on mine so much that I can&#039;t imagine aluminium would be any better.

If I bought a new aero I would fit the hirsch gear and ask them to just give me a standard sports steering wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As great as those Hirsch interior bits looks I think they are let down by that steering wheel. </p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t bring myself to like the aluminium inserts on the current aero steering wheel. I haven&#8217;t touched it but i like the leather on mine so much that I can&#8217;t imagine aluminium would be any better.</p>
<p>If I bought a new aero I would fit the hirsch gear and ask them to just give me a standard sports steering wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: saabyurk</title>
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		<dc:creator>saabyurk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been of the opinion that they should at least offer the Hirsch appearance improvements. I especially agree with your last sentence about making it global. Sometimes I feel like they just don&#039;t care. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been of the opinion that they should at least offer the Hirsch appearance improvements. I especially agree with your last sentence about making it global. Sometimes I feel like they just don&#8217;t care. <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: North Toronto Punter</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Toronto Punter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God yes! [Hotline - URGENT]

The perfect foil to the AMG/M/S lines.  A 9-3 with (new style) Hirsch wheels + interior bits.    

Alas, go to Saab.ca and try to customize a  9-3 : 

&quot;Accessories information not currently available for this vehicle. Please contact your GM Dealer about GM Accessories for your vehicle.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God yes! [Hotline - URGENT]</p>
<p>The perfect foil to the AMG/M/S lines.  A 9-3 with (new style) Hirsch wheels + interior bits.    </p>
<p>Alas, go to Saab.ca and try to customize a  9-3 : </p>
<p>&#8220;Accessories information not currently available for this vehicle. Please contact your GM Dealer about GM Accessories for your vehicle.&#8221;</p>
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