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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/04/some-words-of-wisdom-about-saab-tuning.html#comment-43883</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strictly speaking, abs, anything you replace with with non-factory stuff, or isn&#039;t done by the proper technicians, is possibly grounds for Saab kicking up a fuss with regards to warranty.  There would need to be cause shown, though (i.e. the mod you&#039;ve done has caused the problem you&#039;re experiencing and trying to claim on warranty).

It may sound excessive, but they&#039;re not in business to give away stuff for free, so any reasonable reason might be enough for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly speaking, abs, anything you replace with with non-factory stuff, or isn&#8217;t done by the proper technicians, is possibly grounds for Saab kicking up a fuss with regards to warranty.  There would need to be cause shown, though (i.e. the mod you&#8217;ve done has caused the problem you&#8217;re experiencing and trying to claim on warranty).</p>
<p>It may sound excessive, but they&#8217;re not in business to give away stuff for free, so any reasonable reason might be enough for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Abs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MY07 93 SS 60A.E.:
Does adding a K&amp;N Air Intake and Filter or BSR Intake void the factory warranty?  

I am also thinking of getting the Sport Exhaust Twin Pipe installed at my local Saab dealership.  How much HP would it increase if any?  I read somewhere like 6 ponies or so.  I&#039;m adding it more for the faster look rather than performance alla Paul Humpage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY07 93 SS 60A.E.:<br />
Does adding a K&amp;N Air Intake and Filter or BSR Intake void the factory warranty?  </p>
<p>I am also thinking of getting the Sport Exhaust Twin Pipe installed at my local Saab dealership.  How much HP would it increase if any?  I read somewhere like 6 ponies or so.  I&#8217;m adding it more for the faster look rather than performance alla Paul Humpage.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, your warranty is safe with software changes unless you do something really blatant like put putting a rod through the crankcase or something like that, and even then, if you reset it back to stock the dealership would really have to dig to find something they can deny your warranty work with.

It&#039;s all a moot point though, because you&#039;ll never blow the engine with software from a reputable place like BSR, Maptun, SQR, Nordic, Rica, etc because their staged upgrades are very well engineered to work with the engine setup that they require.  Pretty much the only time you&#039;ll blow an engine is when YOU are doing something wrong.

The same goes for the rest of the car, it likely won&#039;t break unless you do something stupid.  The Turbo-X is designed as a performance car, and the driveline has been engineered to handle the rigors of proper spirited driving.  

A session on the track in a stock Turbo X a-la Wulf&#039;s experience is far harder on the drivetrain (with it&#039;s quick loading and de-loading of the various drivetrain components) than high speed cruising, passing, racing from a roll, etc in a stage 3 Turbo X would be.  Of course you&#039;ll blow a transmission with a staged car if you keep doing clutch-drops and no-lift shifts, but you&#039;ll blow a transmission if you did those things in a stock car anyways.

So modifications can be a great addition to your car, you just have to be smart about them and you shouldn&#039;t run into any problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, your warranty is safe with software changes unless you do something really blatant like put putting a rod through the crankcase or something like that, and even then, if you reset it back to stock the dealership would really have to dig to find something they can deny your warranty work with.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all a moot point though, because you&#8217;ll never blow the engine with software from a reputable place like BSR, Maptun, SQR, Nordic, Rica, etc because their staged upgrades are very well engineered to work with the engine setup that they require.  Pretty much the only time you&#8217;ll blow an engine is when YOU are doing something wrong.</p>
<p>The same goes for the rest of the car, it likely won&#8217;t break unless you do something stupid.  The Turbo-X is designed as a performance car, and the driveline has been engineered to handle the rigors of proper spirited driving.  </p>
<p>A session on the track in a stock Turbo X a-la Wulf&#8217;s experience is far harder on the drivetrain (with it&#8217;s quick loading and de-loading of the various drivetrain components) than high speed cruising, passing, racing from a roll, etc in a stage 3 Turbo X would be.  Of course you&#8217;ll blow a transmission with a staged car if you keep doing clutch-drops and no-lift shifts, but you&#8217;ll blow a transmission if you did those things in a stock car anyways.</p>
<p>So modifications can be a great addition to your car, you just have to be smart about them and you shouldn&#8217;t run into any problems.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkoA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkoA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ECU will store maximum calculated torque value and it cannot be deleted, but it will be overwritten in some time perioid. This is one way for experienced saab mechanic to see if the car was tuned (or if it has a problem). But it´s only IF someone is really intrested.
This is what one Saab mech told me when I asked if BSR software is possible to detect afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ECU will store maximum calculated torque value and it cannot be deleted, but it will be overwritten in some time perioid. This is one way for experienced saab mechanic to see if the car was tuned (or if it has a problem). But it´s only IF someone is really intrested.<br />
This is what one Saab mech told me when I asked if BSR software is possible to detect afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Tedjs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tedjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swade – 

As far as Tech II finding information if a software reflash (reprogram) has been done, there are things some things an experienced technician might see to indicate this. 

The most common thing that happens is that during the reprogramming event the ECU ‘stops talking’ to other modules on the network and those modules will either store DTC information indicating this or reset as a result of the reprogram. Typically there are no lamps on the dash that illuminate as the ‘fault’ is no longer present once the key is cycled so the module just keeps it for history information.

Disconnecting the battery generally does not clear these codes so anymore, so you need a Tech II to clean up the mess after programming is done. The Tech II includes a function now so that after you reprogram/replace a module during service it will go out and clear codes from everything and indicate what other functions need to be re-learned. For example, when reprogramming an ECU on a 9-3 one of the most common things that happens is the window pinch protection (express up) gets erased from the driver and passenger door modules. 

In my experience though, spirited driving (ahem) is easily identified by broken parts. Burned up clutch discs at low mileage, overheated flywheels and over-revved engines with bent valves are all neat things to look at. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swade – </p>
<p>As far as Tech II finding information if a software reflash (reprogram) has been done, there are things some things an experienced technician might see to indicate this. </p>
<p>The most common thing that happens is that during the reprogramming event the ECU ‘stops talking’ to other modules on the network and those modules will either store DTC information indicating this or reset as a result of the reprogram. Typically there are no lamps on the dash that illuminate as the ‘fault’ is no longer present once the key is cycled so the module just keeps it for history information.</p>
<p>Disconnecting the battery generally does not clear these codes so anymore, so you need a Tech II to clean up the mess after programming is done. The Tech II includes a function now so that after you reprogram/replace a module during service it will go out and clear codes from everything and indicate what other functions need to be re-learned. For example, when reprogramming an ECU on a 9-3 one of the most common things that happens is the window pinch protection (express up) gets erased from the driver and passenger door modules. </p>
<p>In my experience though, spirited driving (ahem) is easily identified by broken parts. Burned up clutch discs at low mileage, overheated flywheels and over-revved engines with bent valves are all neat things to look at. <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NJ_Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJ_Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I have read, the Tech II may detect when factory settings were last installed. Thus, re-installing factory settings (e.g. &quot;tuning&quot; and &quot;de-tuning&quot; the car) would be something that could be detected. It is apparently rarely checked from what I hear, but with tuning kits becoming more and more common who knows....

Also, a Swedish news paper (I think DN) wrote that the SAAB engineer&#039;s did not get to put an &quot;S&quot; button on the automatic version of Turbo-X. I love that &quot;S&quot; button...but it would make me think twice about tuning my car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I have read, the Tech II may detect when factory settings were last installed. Thus, re-installing factory settings (e.g. &#8220;tuning&#8221; and &#8220;de-tuning&#8221; the car) would be something that could be detected. It is apparently rarely checked from what I hear, but with tuning kits becoming more and more common who knows&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also, a Swedish news paper (I think DN) wrote that the SAAB engineer&#8217;s did not get to put an &#8220;S&#8221; button on the automatic version of Turbo-X. I love that &#8220;S&#8221; button&#8230;but it would make me think twice about tuning my car.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkoA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkoA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to bring again TTiD on the discussion. I think it would be amazing to have 1.9 liter diesel engine with 200hp / 420Nm and retain warranty?! I mean that is a lot of torq from les than two liter engine. I wonder what happens to acceleration figures? +20 hp and +20Nm is not really very much compared to that of what petrol units gain, but it´s still very impressive.

Especially if you have automatic (like I do! ) you´ll get 50Nm more 370Nm-&gt;420Nm. This detail also tells me that 370Nm limit is not because of transmission has limit so low, but it´s quite likely to achieve smoother acceleration. Does anyone know if the automatic is same for 2.8T and TTiD?

It´s time for me to start thinking good excuses for missus, why should I save +1000€ for software upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to bring again TTiD on the discussion. I think it would be amazing to have 1.9 liter diesel engine with 200hp / 420Nm and retain warranty?! I mean that is a lot of torq from les than two liter engine. I wonder what happens to acceleration figures? +20 hp and +20Nm is not really very much compared to that of what petrol units gain, but it´s still very impressive.</p>
<p>Especially if you have automatic (like I do! ) you´ll get 50Nm more 370Nm-&gt;420Nm. This detail also tells me that 370Nm limit is not because of transmission has limit so low, but it´s quite likely to achieve smoother acceleration. Does anyone know if the automatic is same for 2.8T and TTiD?</p>
<p>It´s time for me to start thinking good excuses for missus, why should I save +1000€ for software upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Rentokil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rentokil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, and no problems whatsoever.

New brakes on the shopping list next though.
Then a new exhaust
Then a turbo
More ECU programming

Beyond that I&#039;ll be needing a new clutch.

So, yeah, the only problem I&#039;ve had/got is knowing when to stop upgrading, it&#039;s potentially quite an expensive hobby. 

My wife just rolls her eyes, if she complains I&#039;ll just point at her shoe collection and raise an eyebrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and no problems whatsoever.</p>
<p>New brakes on the shopping list next though.<br />
Then a new exhaust<br />
Then a turbo<br />
More ECU programming</p>
<p>Beyond that I&#8217;ll be needing a new clutch.</p>
<p>So, yeah, the only problem I&#8217;ve had/got is knowing when to stop upgrading, it&#8217;s potentially quite an expensive hobby. </p>
<p>My wife just rolls her eyes, if she complains I&#8217;ll just point at her shoe collection and raise an eyebrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Rentokil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rentokil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magnus: I have the Maptun stage1 upgrade on my 93ss 2.0 Aero, which i&#039;d imagine would be nearly identical to the BSR one for my car. I&#039;ve gone from 210 to 250hp (365Nm).

On a day to day basis I&#039;ve noticed a slight improvement in the fuel economy, maybe about 2mpg better - I&#039;m putting that down to being able to use a higher gear because of the extra torque - eg. one or two of the hills on my way to work I can now go up in 5th instead of 4th. I can potter along at 30mph in 6th a lot more now too if the road&#039;s pretty flat.

BUT. Spirited driving uses a noticeable amount more fuel than before - it&#039;s quite addictive &quot;booting it&quot; with those extra horses at your disposal, so I tend to do it more often than I did before.

I suppose at the end of the day it depends on your driving style. On balance for me, with a mixture of sensible and spirited driving my fuel economy has probably stayed about the same. (24.5 mpg (imperial gallons))

I&#039;d imagine the Linear stage one fuel economy would stay similar to before for you too. Just depends on how heavy your foot becomes after the upgrade. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magnus: I have the Maptun stage1 upgrade on my 93ss 2.0 Aero, which i&#8217;d imagine would be nearly identical to the BSR one for my car. I&#8217;ve gone from 210 to 250hp (365Nm).</p>
<p>On a day to day basis I&#8217;ve noticed a slight improvement in the fuel economy, maybe about 2mpg better &#8211; I&#8217;m putting that down to being able to use a higher gear because of the extra torque &#8211; eg. one or two of the hills on my way to work I can now go up in 5th instead of 4th. I can potter along at 30mph in 6th a lot more now too if the road&#8217;s pretty flat.</p>
<p>BUT. Spirited driving uses a noticeable amount more fuel than before &#8211; it&#8217;s quite addictive &#8220;booting it&#8221; with those extra horses at your disposal, so I tend to do it more often than I did before.</p>
<p>I suppose at the end of the day it depends on your driving style. On balance for me, with a mixture of sensible and spirited driving my fuel economy has probably stayed about the same. (24.5 mpg (imperial gallons))</p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine the Linear stage one fuel economy would stay similar to before for you too. Just depends on how heavy your foot becomes after the upgrade. <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Magnus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 9-3 Linear and I&#039;m keen on BSR Stage 1. Do anyone have experience with any changes to fuel consumption or other problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 9-3 Linear and I&#8217;m keen on BSR Stage 1. Do anyone have experience with any changes to fuel consumption or other problems?</p>
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