Comments on: Turbo X vs 9-3 Aero XWD – The Drive http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html Saab 9-1, 9-3, 9-4x, 9-5, 9-7x News Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Widde (900aero.com) http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-41620 Widde (900aero.com) Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:00:53 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-41620 congrats on ordering a great car congrats on ordering a great car

]]> By: mozarella http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-41402 mozarella Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:41:39 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-41402 Widde, thanks for that - I've got an X automatic on order... Widde, thanks for that – I’ve got an X automatic on order…

]]> By: dim8 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40982 dim8 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:05:26 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40982 For Turbo X of course. For Turbo X of course.

]]> By: dim8 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40981 dim8 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:03:37 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40981 GM said delivery to Russia is going to delay till July-September 2008 instead May 2008. GM said delivery to Russia is going to delay till July-September 2008 instead May 2008.

]]> By: Widde (900aero.com) http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40940 Widde (900aero.com) Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:55:33 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40940 As i'm Biased to the manual it's not fair for me to say that, but i try to be objective: - The manual was the 6 speed, easy to shift, abit long strokes to shift . Not that distinct. it was ok. Way better than the old gen 9-3. Clutch really good, nice clear grip point, good bite. - The automatic, makes the car more of a playstation car, than anything. The sport setting put the shiftpoints higher than the non sport (as usual). The manual shift mode still got the "lag" whilst shifting up but no lag down. Same with wheel buttons or the stick. But the manual lag can be handled by releasing the throttle right before the shiftpoint and then press the button. This will trick the system and shift faster. SAAB put in this lag to save the transmission. it really does click button -> release throttle ->wait until tourqe has dropped- -> shift -> increase throttle. I just realized i forgot to to the N -> D throw test, just to see if the transmission will manage it. Damn! Then I hate the ISO standard function of putting the manual shift function to shift up-pull stick forward and shift down-pull stick backwards. The real and ergonomic way should be viseversa as the Acceleration/Retardation forces on the body will help the shifting motion. As when the body is pulled backwards at accelration pulling the stick is easier than pushing it. Same as steering technique, push instead of push. Pushing the steering wheel will keep the body in the seat and its easier to push with the whole arm and back. But back to the transmission... its basically up to you. Both are ok. If you know how to use them. The car isn't a monster so any regular Joe can with some training use the manual stick and get acceptable 0-60 (0-100 kmh) times. It's only one shift...(you go on redline at 60(100), but still.) And I would go with the Manual with this one. But thats me. But do you want a easy ride, go for the Auto. IT's still loads of fun. As i’m Biased to the manual it’s not fair for me to say that, but i try to be objective:
- The manual was the 6 speed, easy to shift, abit long strokes to shift . Not that distinct. it was ok. Way better than the old gen 9-3. Clutch really good, nice clear grip point, good bite.
- The automatic, makes the car more of a playstation car, than anything. The sport setting put the shiftpoints higher than the non sport (as usual). The manual shift mode still got the “lag” whilst shifting up but no lag down. Same with wheel buttons or the stick. But the manual lag can be handled by releasing the throttle right before the shiftpoint and then press the button. This will trick the system and shift faster. SAAB put in this lag to save the transmission. it really does click button -> release throttle ->wait until tourqe has dropped- -> shift -> increase throttle.
I just realized i forgot to to the N -> D throw test, just to see if the transmission will manage it. Damn!
Then I hate the ISO standard function of putting the manual shift function to shift up-pull stick forward and shift down-pull stick backwards. The real and ergonomic way should be viseversa as the Acceleration/Retardation forces on the body will help the shifting motion.
As when the body is pulled backwards at accelration pulling the stick is easier than pushing it. Same as steering technique, push instead of push. Pushing the steering wheel will keep the body in the seat and its easier to push with the whole arm and back.

But back to the transmission… its basically up to you. Both are ok. If you know how to use them. The car isn’t a monster so any regular Joe can with some training use the manual stick and get acceptable 0-60 (0-100 kmh) times. It’s only one shift…(you go on redline at 60(100), but still.)
And I would go with the Manual with this one. But thats me. But do you want a easy ride, go for the Auto. IT’s still loads of fun.

]]> By: mozarella http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40931 mozarella Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:01:34 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40931 You had access to both manual and automatic Turbo X's - what was the verdict between the two?? You had access to both manual and automatic Turbo X’s – what was the verdict between the two??

]]> By: zippy http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40906 zippy Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:50:18 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40906 OK, this video made me want to pay over the odds for a TurboX. OMG, that soundtrack!!! *drooling* OK, this video made me want to pay over the odds for a TurboX. OMG, that soundtrack!!! *drooling*

]]> By: MarkoA http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40858 MarkoA Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:53:43 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40858 Here´s one a bit off topic, but anyway. I drive now M08 TTiD with stock suspension. The previous was M07 1.8t + BSR and Saab Sport suspension (Aero). I know from the dealer that sport suspension also needs some Ecu adjustment to keep ESP working correctly. So, what I´m trying to say here is that there´s noticeable difference. I don´t know if it´s because of the software difference, or the suspension itself, or more nose heavy car (TTiD Aut. ads 110kg on the front wheels). But our previous SC was easier to slide in oversteering manner. On TTiD ESP cuts right away and brakes harder to get all the control. I was quite used to "drift" a bit on a winter roads in our previous car. At first in TTiD I got confused that it was almost impossible. It is definitely safer now, but not as fun as the older one!? It feels like the amount of acceptable oversteering and slide of the rearend is decreased somehow. Here´s one a bit off topic, but anyway. I drive now M08 TTiD with stock suspension. The previous was M07 1.8t + BSR and Saab Sport suspension (Aero). I know from the dealer that sport suspension also needs some Ecu adjustment to keep ESP working correctly.

So, what I´m trying to say here is that there´s noticeable difference. I don´t know if it´s because of the software difference, or the suspension itself, or more nose heavy car (TTiD Aut. ads 110kg on the front wheels).
But our previous SC was easier to slide in oversteering manner. On TTiD ESP cuts right away and brakes harder to get all the control. I was quite used to “drift” a bit on a winter roads in our previous car. At first in TTiD I got confused that it was almost impossible. It is definitely safer now, but not as fun as the older one!? It feels like the amount of acceptable oversteering and slide of the rearend is decreased somehow.

]]> By: MarkoA http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40857 MarkoA Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:45:36 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40857 "It’s amazing that the Hirsch kit is the exactly the same size as the Turbo X “stock” brakes…" And more amazing is the they come from Opel/Vauxhal Vectra OPC... You can get the discs and calibers from GM Opel/Saab dealer with Opel part number and they´re bolt on parts. I assume the price being lower than Hirsch price. Just FYI.. “It’s amazing that the Hirsch kit is the exactly the same size as the Turbo X “stock” brakes…”

And more amazing is the they come from Opel/Vauxhal Vectra OPC… You can get the discs and calibers from GM Opel/Saab dealer with Opel part number and they´re bolt on parts. I assume the price being lower than Hirsch price. Just FYI..

]]> By: Rogan http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40852 Rogan Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:40:12 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2008/03/turbo-x-vs-9-3-aero-xwd-the-drive.html#comment-40852 I'm gonna try to pick up a Turbo X as a replacment for my 9-3 SS Vector if all goes well in about five or six years. -Rogan I’m gonna try to pick up a Turbo X as a replacment for my 9-3 SS Vector if all goes well in about five or six years.

-Rogan

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