Comments on: Greens attack Grrrrreen http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html Saab 9-1, 9-3, 9-4x, 9-5, 9-7x News Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paul Humpage http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16742 Paul Humpage Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:18:30 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16742 Excellent post PT Excellent post PT

]]> By: PT http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16726 PT Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:36:48 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16726 For the sake of a discussion on relavent local issues lets leave the 97X out of this as its not sold here - although of course it counts on a global level. I find this critisim from the greens a bit hard to take. One car company has the intiative to launch ethanol-powered cars, sell mostly 4cyl or diesel powered cars and also offer to pay carbon offsets for the first year of ownership. To me this is good intiative and its not been met by any other company. SAAB have also used expensive advertising space to ignore performance and focus on environmental issues. Topical for sure but still a unique approach. For the political greens to officially (Rhiannon is a member of parliament) to not only comment negatively but actually make a press release & get a story up in the major Sydney newspaper is to me incredibly ignorant and stupid. The greens should be encouraging these initiatives, not actively hammering them. This makes the environmental movement ( which is just gathering much needed momentum) seem petty and driven by internal politics. It sends a bizarre message to the public about how politically correct one must be in order to have green endorsement. The small-mindedness of this is quite incredible to me. I usually vote green but if this is the best they can do then its the fishing party for me come november. Amazing arrogance & stupidity combined. With friends like these who needs enemies? For the sake of a discussion on relavent local issues lets leave the 97X out of this as its not sold here – although of course it counts on a global level.

I find this critisim from the greens a bit hard to take. One car company has the intiative to launch ethanol-powered cars, sell mostly 4cyl or diesel powered cars and also offer to pay carbon offsets for the first year of ownership. To me this is good intiative and its not been met by any other company. SAAB have also used expensive advertising space to ignore performance and focus on environmental issues. Topical for sure but still a unique approach.

For the political greens to officially (Rhiannon is a member of parliament) to not only comment negatively but actually make a press release & get a story up in the major Sydney newspaper is to me incredibly ignorant and stupid. The greens should be encouraging these initiatives, not actively hammering them. This makes the environmental movement ( which is just gathering much needed momentum) seem petty and driven by internal politics. It sends a bizarre message to the public about how politically correct one must be in order to have green endorsement. The small-mindedness of this is quite incredible to me.

I usually vote green but if this is the best they can do then its the fishing party for me come november.

Amazing arrogance & stupidity combined. With friends like these who needs enemies?

]]> By: Ben W http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16721 Ben W Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:19:49 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16721 any discussion concerning The Greens opinion is only going to end in injured hippies and pseudo-green conservatives from up Fern Tree way, but if 'green' cars are a concern for them perhaps they might consider putting down their djembes and reefer for a second and introduce some kind of bill (you know, the kinda thing real politians do from time to time) legislating a mandatory level of biofuel or electric car production and infrastructure so us, the dumb, ignorant masses, might actually have a choice, rather than just buying a Prius because if Cameron Diaz says it's saving the world, it must be. maybe a car that runs on hemp? they'd love that. as for Saabs not being fuel efficient, the most fuel efficient car I've ever owned was my old '88 900 Aero. That got under 10km/100L, even when driving mostly around town with a leadfoot. Currently we have a 3L V6 4Runner, that does about 17L/100km (yikes) and just got a BMW (I know, sorry Swade) 316i Compact which despite its asthmatic 1.6L SOHC engine still drinks nearly 12L/100km around town. Consider too that new Saabs still do 9-10L/100km while V6 Commdores and Falcons are more 12-15L/100km and I really do wonder why the Greens have their hemp knickers in a knot. Maybe the mull bowl went dry... any discussion concerning The Greens opinion is only going to end in injured hippies and pseudo-green conservatives from up Fern Tree way, but if ‘green’ cars are a concern for them perhaps they might consider putting down their djembes and reefer for a second and introduce some kind of bill (you know, the kinda thing real politians do from time to time) legislating a mandatory level of biofuel or electric car production and infrastructure so us, the dumb, ignorant masses, might actually have a choice, rather than just buying a Prius because if Cameron Diaz says it’s saving the world, it must be.

maybe a car that runs on hemp? they’d love that.

as for Saabs not being fuel efficient, the most fuel efficient car I’ve ever owned was my old ’88 900 Aero. That got under 10km/100L, even when driving mostly around town with a leadfoot. Currently we have a 3L V6 4Runner, that does about 17L/100km (yikes) and just got a BMW (I know, sorry Swade) 316i Compact which despite its asthmatic 1.6L SOHC engine still drinks nearly 12L/100km around town. Consider too that new Saabs still do 9-10L/100km while V6 Commdores and Falcons are more 12-15L/100km and I really do wonder why the Greens have their hemp knickers in a knot. Maybe the mull bowl went dry…

]]> By: riku1100s http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16694 riku1100s Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:24:21 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16694 The only 'green' car is the one that was never made. Saab or not. The only ‘green’ car is the one that was never made.

Saab or not.

]]> By: ctm http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16690 ctm Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:23:13 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16690 If you base it on economy, nothing can beat Indian, Iranian or Romanian cars I guess. Cheap as dirt, don't go fast, and don't last long so you won't go far. And using the "bastard" 9-7X (made from U.S. parts for the U.S. market) as a measure of how fuel efficient Saab as a brand are, well... If you base it on economy, nothing can beat Indian, Iranian or Romanian cars I guess. Cheap as dirt, don’t go fast, and don’t last long so you won’t go far. And using the “bastard” 9-7X (made from U.S. parts for the U.S. market) as a measure of how fuel efficient Saab as a brand are, well…

]]> By: dmr http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16688 dmr Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:31:05 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16688 Hummer H3: 6000 lb gross weight. Fuel economy 20 highway / 15 city (mpg) Volvo XC90: 5850 lb gross weight. Fuel economy 20 highway / 15 city (mpg) Saab 97X: 6000 lb gross weight. Fuel economy 21 highway / 15 city (mpg) Do we have a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black? CNN had a report of the greenest and meanest cars based on economy. All 10 green cars were Japanese or Korean. All the mean cars were European or American. I know a lot of Saab owners over here in New England, and I can't say anybody bought their Saabs because they were fuel efficient or reliable! They bought them because of practicality, good design, and safety. Hummer H3: 6000 lb gross weight.
Fuel economy 20 highway / 15 city (mpg)

Volvo XC90: 5850 lb gross weight.
Fuel economy 20 highway / 15 city (mpg)

Saab 97X: 6000 lb gross weight.
Fuel economy 21 highway / 15 city (mpg)

Do we have a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black?

CNN had a report of the greenest and meanest cars based on economy. All 10 green cars were Japanese or Korean. All the mean cars were European or American.

I know a lot of Saab owners over here in New England, and I can’t say anybody bought their Saabs because they were fuel efficient or reliable! They bought them because of practicality, good design, and safety.

]]> By: ctm http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16673 ctm Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:30:18 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16673 Toyota's may be environmentally friendly on papers, but they do pollute the environment with their design. I think they should take that into consideration. Toyota’s may be environmentally friendly on papers, but they do pollute the environment with their design. I think they should take that into consideration.

]]> By: Paul Humpage http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16665 Paul Humpage Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:16:13 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16665 I can see why the Greens have got upset at the ad campaign. I think it looks great on a lot of huge billboards around Sydney but it does appear to suggest that a Saab runs on the gas coming off a couple of decomposting leaves in the back garden. The idea of any car being enviromentally friendly is a nonsense of course, any form of transportation creates some kind of enviromental change. A bushwalkers track through the wilderness wears down the grass coverage leading to erosion etc. etc. Breaking wind when riding my bike uphill as i lose control of my bodily functions due to exhaustion is no doubt enviromentally (as well as socially) unacceptable, but the Saab with its ethanol and carbon offsets with tree planting is better than some boofhead Falcodore stuffing up the planet with its crook handling and tyre shredding crudity. Better than the Toyota Corolla sedan mentioned in comparison too as its mind numbing averageness leads owners to spend less time in the car and more time on the couch in front of a humongous plasma telly with the air conditioning on. I can see why the Greens have got upset at the ad campaign. I think it looks great on a lot of huge billboards around Sydney but it does appear to suggest that a Saab runs on the gas coming off a couple of decomposting leaves in the back garden. The idea of any car being enviromentally friendly is a nonsense of course, any form of transportation creates some kind of enviromental change. A bushwalkers track through the wilderness wears down the grass coverage leading to erosion etc. etc. Breaking wind when riding my bike uphill as i lose control of my bodily functions due to exhaustion is no doubt enviromentally (as well as socially) unacceptable, but the Saab with its ethanol and carbon offsets with tree planting is better than some boofhead Falcodore stuffing up the planet with its crook handling and tyre shredding crudity. Better than the Toyota Corolla sedan mentioned in comparison too as its mind numbing averageness leads owners to spend less time in the car and more time on the couch in front of a humongous plasma telly with the air conditioning on.

]]> By: 1985 Gripen http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16647 1985 Gripen Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:42:04 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16647 It's interesting that this party has decided to attack SAAB, who's at least trying to do SOMETHING constructive regarding the environment by participating in this carbon offset program. Why not go after one of the more polluting auto manufacturers who isn't even doing anything? They do have a point though that SAABs' gross emissions and fuel consumption could be better. This is something I hope to see addressed in the future by SAAB. As for accreditation (sp?), I don't know if the gov't has any program, but there are many third-party programs out there which will verify carbon offset programs, such as <a href="http://www.green-e.org/" rel="nofollow">green-e</a>. I believe TerraPass is green-e certified. So is <a href="http://www.renewablechoice.com/" rel="nofollow">Renewable Choice Energy</a>, which is the wind power program sold to U.S. residents through Whole Foods markets. The certification is quite expensive from what I've read, but it assures the money spent on carbon-offsetting is actually being used for what it's intended. It’s interesting that this party has decided to attack SAAB, who’s at least trying to do SOMETHING constructive regarding the environment by participating in this carbon offset program. Why not go after one of the more polluting auto manufacturers who isn’t even doing anything?

They do have a point though that SAABs’ gross emissions and fuel consumption could be better. This is something I hope to see addressed in the future by SAAB.

As for accreditation (sp?), I don’t know if the gov’t has any program, but there are many third-party programs out there which will verify carbon offset programs, such as green-e. I believe TerraPass is green-e certified. So is Renewable Choice Energy, which is the wind power program sold to U.S. residents through Whole Foods markets. The certification is quite expensive from what I’ve read, but it assures the money spent on carbon-offsetting is actually being used for what it’s intended.

]]> By: jeff k http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16646 jeff k Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:18:57 +0000 http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/08/greens-attack-grrrrreen.html#comment-16646 logan i do remember that. i think it was hammond who said if you were driving on a smoggy day, the air coming out is actually cleaner than the air going in. something about a great catalytic converter. logan i do remember that. i think it was hammond who said if you were driving on a smoggy day, the air coming out is actually cleaner than the air going in. something about a great catalytic converter.

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