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	<title>Comments on: Some BioPower News</title>
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	<description>Saab 9-1, 9-3, 9-4x, 9-5, 9-7x News</description>
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		<title>By: Ted Y</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/some_biopower_news.html#comment-9105</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad GM pulled the plug on Saab&#039;s SVC. Variable compression could offset the mileage loss significantly because of the much higher octane rating of ethanol. If I remember correctly, Saab&#039;s experimental SVC engine could operate at up to a 14:1 compression ratio.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad GM pulled the plug on Saab&#8217;s SVC. Variable compression could offset the mileage loss significantly because of the much higher octane rating of ethanol. If I remember correctly, Saab&#8217;s experimental SVC engine could operate at up to a 14:1 compression ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: turbin</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/some_biopower_news.html#comment-9104</link>
		<dc:creator>turbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1985 Gripen,

The 9-3 1.8t is in fact a 2.0litre. It&#039;s all in the tuning. The 9-3 2.0t is a 175hp/265Nm engine. The 1.8t is the exact same hardware, detuned. 

Therefore using ethanol basically takes the 1.8t off it&#039;s leash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1985 Gripen,</p>
<p>The 9-3 1.8t is in fact a 2.0litre. It&#8217;s all in the tuning. The 9-3 2.0t is a 175hp/265Nm engine. The 1.8t is the exact same hardware, detuned. </p>
<p>Therefore using ethanol basically takes the 1.8t off it&#8217;s leash.</p>
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		<title>By: 1985 Gripen</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/some_biopower_news.html#comment-9103</link>
		<dc:creator>1985 Gripen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saaboy: I don&#039;t know if E85 mileage is really that bad. It&#039;s hard to tell &quot;real world&quot; numbers as there are not enough flex-fuel cars out there running E85 full-time.

The estimation is that ethanol can cause up to a 34% decrease in fuel economy as compared to gasoline. But that&#039;s if one was running E100. E85 is still 15% gasoline. So the worst-case estimation for E85 mileage &quot;hit&quot; would be 27%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioethanol#Fuel_Economy

But short of getting these in the real world and running them solely off of E85, we just won&#039;t know.

This is one of many reasons why I&#039;m a proponent of (ethanol&#039;s sister biofuel) biobutanol. The mileage &quot;hit&quot; of pure biobutanol is only about 10% as compared to gasoline. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol#Properties_of_common_fuels

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/12/30/biobutanol-the-other-white-meat/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saaboy: I don&#8217;t know if E85 mileage is really that bad. It&#8217;s hard to tell &#8220;real world&#8221; numbers as there are not enough flex-fuel cars out there running E85 full-time.</p>
<p>The estimation is that ethanol can cause up to a 34% decrease in fuel economy as compared to gasoline. But that&#8217;s if one was running E100. E85 is still 15% gasoline. So the worst-case estimation for E85 mileage &#8220;hit&#8221; would be 27%.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioethanol#Fuel_Economy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioethanol#Fuel_Economy</a></p>
<p>But short of getting these in the real world and running them solely off of E85, we just won&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>This is one of many reasons why I&#8217;m a proponent of (ethanol&#8217;s sister biofuel) biobutanol. The mileage &#8220;hit&#8221; of pure biobutanol is only about 10% as compared to gasoline. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol#Properties_of_common_fuels" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol#Properties_of_common_fuels</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/12/30/biobutanol-the-other-white-meat/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/12/30/biobutanol-the-other-white-meat/</a></p>
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		<title>By: 1985 Gripen</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/02/some_biopower_news.html#comment-9102</link>
		<dc:creator>1985 Gripen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think the introduction of a BioPower version of the 9-3 in the Swedish market is going to deal a devestating blow to 9-5 sales, Swade?

At first it didn&#039;t seem so to me, as I thought the BioPower 9-5 offered a lot more power than a BioPower 1.8-liter 9-3 would. However, learning that the BioPower 9-5 2.0-liter only puts out 5 bhp more than the BioPower 9-3 1.8 liter, I can see where there might be quite a sales hit.

Also, the 9-5 is almost 200 lbs heavier.

It&#039;s odd that SAAB would make this decision, given how it seems like the only 9-5 models selling in any numbers worldwide are in Sweden (where a whole 80% of all 9-5 sales are of the BioPower variety). I guess SAAB figures more sales is good sales, no matter what SAAB product people are buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the introduction of a BioPower version of the 9-3 in the Swedish market is going to deal a devestating blow to 9-5 sales, Swade?</p>
<p>At first it didn&#8217;t seem so to me, as I thought the BioPower 9-5 offered a lot more power than a BioPower 1.8-liter 9-3 would. However, learning that the BioPower 9-5 2.0-liter only puts out 5 bhp more than the BioPower 9-3 1.8 liter, I can see where there might be quite a sales hit.</p>
<p>Also, the 9-5 is almost 200 lbs heavier.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd that SAAB would make this decision, given how it seems like the only 9-5 models selling in any numbers worldwide are in Sweden (where a whole 80% of all 9-5 sales are of the BioPower variety). I guess SAAB figures more sales is good sales, no matter what SAAB product people are buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Saaboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saaboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really, REALLY hope that 9-5 sales don&#039;t plummet, too badly...

Is E85 mileage really that bad? Never heard of that before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really, REALLY hope that 9-5 sales don&#8217;t plummet, too badly&#8230;</p>
<p>Is E85 mileage really that bad? Never heard of that before&#8230;</p>
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