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	<title>Comments on: A sobering thought&#8230;..or a call for optimism</title>
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	<description>Saab 9-1, 9-3, 9-4x, 9-5, 9-7x News</description>
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		<title>By: JACEK</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/09/a_sobering_thou.html#comment-5777</link>
		<dc:creator>JACEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,here in Houston you can see all great BMWs and you can also see a lawer,doctor...............
hooker or gangster getting out of that car,everybody has that darn thing. With SAAB you in many ways different. I like that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,here in Houston you can see all great BMWs and you can also see a lawer,doctor&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
hooker or gangster getting out of that car,everybody has that darn thing. With SAAB you in many ways different. I like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjoern</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/09/a_sobering_thou.html#comment-5776</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjoern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Swade,

no problem. Feel free to use the text. But check for spelling mistakes. *grin* 

I can also write an update of the text wih more details about the german market and Saab with more precised arguments. Feel free to contact me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Swade,</p>
<p>no problem. Feel free to use the text. But check for spelling mistakes. *grin* </p>
<p>I can also write an update of the text wih more details about the german market and Saab with more precised arguments. Feel free to contact me.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/09/a_sobering_thou.html#comment-5775</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some further comments:

Being a fighter pilot is not that popular in Germany that in the US or UK. Since Hermann Meier and Arthur Harris, the guys who should buy a Saab are not very into war plane aviation. Actually, I do not want to buy a product that is advertised in this way either. (Do not want to be a F16 fighter pilot and bomb towns!)

Another point: I was ask by a German friend that car I drive. I said Saab. He said, he would not buy a Japanese car! He drives Opel!

Next: Why should you Buy/lease a Saab if you can get a Bimmer? When it comes to fetish BMW counts more. This brand is being louded with tons of &quot;Premium&quot; by the communication devison of BMW and the journalist that Saab has almost no chance to compete with the Huns. 

The last thing: You do not have to drive a Saab if you want to have a Turbo. The Huns have a lots of Turbos too nowadays. 

So, that is left? Choose a Spitefire or SAAB J21 instead of a Messerschmitt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some further comments:</p>
<p>Being a fighter pilot is not that popular in Germany that in the US or UK. Since Hermann Meier and Arthur Harris, the guys who should buy a Saab are not very into war plane aviation. Actually, I do not want to buy a product that is advertised in this way either. (Do not want to be a F16 fighter pilot and bomb towns!)</p>
<p>Another point: I was ask by a German friend that car I drive. I said Saab. He said, he would not buy a Japanese car! He drives Opel!</p>
<p>Next: Why should you Buy/lease a Saab if you can get a Bimmer? When it comes to fetish BMW counts more. This brand is being louded with tons of &#8220;Premium&#8221; by the communication devison of BMW and the journalist that Saab has almost no chance to compete with the Huns. </p>
<p>The last thing: You do not have to drive a Saab if you want to have a Turbo. The Huns have a lots of Turbos too nowadays. </p>
<p>So, that is left? Choose a Spitefire or SAAB J21 instead of a Messerschmitt?</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/09/a_sobering_thou.html#comment-5774</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bjoern for the local insight.  This is a great followup to the main piece and I think it&#039;ll be good to publish it as such in the next day or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bjoern for the local insight.  This is a great followup to the main piece and I think it&#8217;ll be good to publish it as such in the next day or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjoern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjoern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,
I guess one of the biggest problems in germany is the lack of marketing. I have no doubt that Saab could get, and take, quite a bigger slice of the market. Many people I have talked to and told them about my Saab and Saab in general, had no clue about the new models, features etc..

Problem is that Saab Germany doesn&#039;t do marketing at all. There are no tv ads (there where a few when the &quot;Genes from Jet&#039;s&quot; acion started. But that&#039;s it. No big advertising in newspapers (sometimes there is a small ad - often published by the local dealer! At least there where a few ads for the launch of the 9-3SS and the 9-3SC).

Saab should use a lot more of the unique features in the Saabs that are also developt by Saab. All other brands often copy these features and present them as &quot;new&quot; and inveted by them... but heck.. a lot of this stuff has been developed by Saab in the past. Like the key hole... Saab put&#039;s it since aeons between the seats next to the shifter... now other brands to something similar... they put it in the center of the center console and use a start button. The difference is: They sell it agressiv as safety features... Saab... nop. Yeah... the dealer tells you but not the ads.

Or the new cockpit features of the Aero-X. Using the glass elements for a 3D look and feel and modern design etc.. What&#039;s coming up a few months later... Yep... VW with the presentation of the soon to come (!!)(seems like 2008) Iroc or Scirocco - guess what.. yea.. they have blue glas tubes with a 3D feeling in the cockpit... 
and I bet they will use it in production before Saab does!

Sometimes I&#039;m near of self destruction when I see what Saab Germany does... nothing... Saab dealers get their display full of Chevy toy cars... or will be closing. There is nearly no to null customer insentives for keeping the customers etc.. You only get two or three times a magazine and that&#039;s it. A yes.. if you subscrite the e-Newsletter you also get some e-Mail sometimes. But no insentives or features to push the affinity to Saab. It seems that Saab Germany has a lot to learn in the areas of marketing and customer service/satisfaction. They have to be a bit more aggressive. 

The sadest part is to know... or to be sure... that they could do soooooo much better. But to see them pushed down to the ground by Opel and GM Int..

Let&#039;s hope the best for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,<br />
I guess one of the biggest problems in germany is the lack of marketing. I have no doubt that Saab could get, and take, quite a bigger slice of the market. Many people I have talked to and told them about my Saab and Saab in general, had no clue about the new models, features etc..</p>
<p>Problem is that Saab Germany doesn&#8217;t do marketing at all. There are no tv ads (there where a few when the &#8220;Genes from Jet&#8217;s&#8221; acion started. But that&#8217;s it. No big advertising in newspapers (sometimes there is a small ad &#8211; often published by the local dealer! At least there where a few ads for the launch of the 9-3SS and the 9-3SC).</p>
<p>Saab should use a lot more of the unique features in the Saabs that are also developt by Saab. All other brands often copy these features and present them as &#8220;new&#8221; and inveted by them&#8230; but heck.. a lot of this stuff has been developed by Saab in the past. Like the key hole&#8230; Saab put&#8217;s it since aeons between the seats next to the shifter&#8230; now other brands to something similar&#8230; they put it in the center of the center console and use a start button. The difference is: They sell it agressiv as safety features&#8230; Saab&#8230; nop. Yeah&#8230; the dealer tells you but not the ads.</p>
<p>Or the new cockpit features of the Aero-X. Using the glass elements for a 3D look and feel and modern design etc.. What&#8217;s coming up a few months later&#8230; Yep&#8230; VW with the presentation of the soon to come (!!)(seems like 2008) Iroc or Scirocco &#8211; guess what.. yea.. they have blue glas tubes with a 3D feeling in the cockpit&#8230;<br />
and I bet they will use it in production before Saab does!</p>
<p>Sometimes I&#8217;m near of self destruction when I see what Saab Germany does&#8230; nothing&#8230; Saab dealers get their display full of Chevy toy cars&#8230; or will be closing. There is nearly no to null customer insentives for keeping the customers etc.. You only get two or three times a magazine and that&#8217;s it. A yes.. if you subscrite the e-Newsletter you also get some e-Mail sometimes. But no insentives or features to push the affinity to Saab. It seems that Saab Germany has a lot to learn in the areas of marketing and customer service/satisfaction. They have to be a bit more aggressive. </p>
<p>The sadest part is to know&#8230; or to be sure&#8230; that they could do soooooo much better. But to see them pushed down to the ground by Opel and GM Int..</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope the best for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: GM</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/09/a_sobering_thou.html#comment-5772</link>
		<dc:creator>GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;GM, are you listening??&quot;
No.
Best regards,
Bob Lutz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;GM, are you listening??&#8221;<br />
No.<br />
Best regards,<br />
Bob Lutz</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So,

The 9-7x should be a TurboDiesel

and the 2007 9-3 should have the SID unit back.

GM, are you listening??

- R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So,</p>
<p>The 9-7x should be a TurboDiesel</p>
<p>and the 2007 9-3 should have the SID unit back.</p>
<p>GM, are you listening??</p>
<p>- R</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacek, that&#039;s two out of two dealers now that are angry about the loss if the SID.  I know my local guy is disappointed by it as well.

And the diesel for the 9-7x, as you both mention is a total no-brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacek, that&#8217;s two out of two dealers now that are angry about the loss if the SID.  I know my local guy is disappointed by it as well.</p>
<p>And the diesel for the 9-7x, as you both mention is a total no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: fred@dzlsabe.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred@dzlsabe.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alot of the German problem is location...while all the DE brands have the sweet spreads Saab is by and large tucked back in some obscure industrial cul-de-sac.
As mentioned a nice concept is the downtown botique showroom...Ive been to the one in Berlin and also in London. There could be more of these? 
GM could sell tonnes of 97s with say a 2.5 5cyl TurboD...Ill second Jaceks wake-up call...and I dont believe the V6 wont fit in a 95 or the 97 for that matter. 
Finally whats with all the no leather, no sunroof, black cars over dere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alot of the German problem is location&#8230;while all the DE brands have the sweet spreads Saab is by and large tucked back in some obscure industrial cul-de-sac.<br />
As mentioned a nice concept is the downtown botique showroom&#8230;Ive been to the one in Berlin and also in London. There could be more of these?<br />
GM could sell tonnes of 97s with say a 2.5 5cyl TurboD&#8230;Ill second Jaceks wake-up call&#8230;and I dont believe the V6 wont fit in a 95 or the 97 for that matter.<br />
Finally whats with all the no leather, no sunroof, black cars over dere?</p>
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		<title>By: JACEK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JACEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My customer just picked up his 9-3 AERO in Frankfurt on european delivery program,he told me that dealer there had 9-7 on the showroom floor and cried that will never sell that car because it is not a diesel.GM, wake up, gas in europe is $7 a gallon!!!!!
By the way,just received few 2007 9-3, I can live with interior,little throw back to 900 with silver trim on dash but I&#039;m mad that they took away our cool SID!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My customer just picked up his 9-3 AERO in Frankfurt on european delivery program,he told me that dealer there had 9-7 on the showroom floor and cried that will never sell that car because it is not a diesel.GM, wake up, gas in europe is $7 a gallon!!!!!<br />
By the way,just received few 2007 9-3, I can live with interior,little throw back to 900 with silver trim on dash but I&#8217;m mad that they took away our cool SID!!!!!</p>
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