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		<title>By: Joe Lobo</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/04/wednesday_snipp_2.html#comment-3434</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my point Fred why ?? What is clear is that Saab is probably the most undersold prestige car in the whole world. I follow this site because I&#039;m very passionate about the brand, love the cars etc etc but also to learn more and enhance my overall knowledge and expertise. From what I&#039;ve read it really shocks me the amount of underselling there is and how little awareness on the strengths of Saab is being broadcasted. And on the other hand the public are so blindly behind that German cars that is sickening at times.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s my point Fred why ?? What is clear is that Saab is probably the most undersold prestige car in the whole world. I follow this site because I&#8217;m very passionate about the brand, love the cars etc etc but also to learn more and enhance my overall knowledge and expertise. From what I&#8217;ve read it really shocks me the amount of underselling there is and how little awareness on the strengths of Saab is being broadcasted. And on the other hand the public are so blindly behind that German cars that is sickening at times.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/04/wednesday_snipp_2.html#comment-3433</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eggs-merely re-posing the question...how does Audi do it? And yes I have driven several quattros, a TT, an A8 and VWs petrol and diesel...and I still dont get it. Knowing that, I guess the trick is to get Audi/VW owners to test drive Saab...as people that td...usually buy? A/VW owner retention aint all that. Also there is no rebuttal to AMG/M in the biggest, $$$ market. Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eggs-merely re-posing the question&#8230;how does Audi do it? And yes I have driven several quattros, a TT, an A8 and VWs petrol and diesel&#8230;and I still dont get it. Knowing that, I guess the trick is to get Audi/VW owners to test drive Saab&#8230;as people that td&#8230;usually buy? A/VW owner retention aint all that. Also there is no rebuttal to AMG/M in the biggest, $$$ market. Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Lobo</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2006/04/wednesday_snipp_2.html#comment-3432</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am convinced that the folk at Hirsch are assuming a lot in here through the distance factor from Europe to OZ. Surely, overnight deliveries will cost a bomb but off peak and lower priority shipments are very competitive. Agree with Swade&#039;s comments on the average Joe Blog not turning it&#039;s head to a 4 cyl unit at all. But just by the sheer presence of one and the impact of its performance many heads will surely turn. When a Merc C55 AMG is priced at the $160K and will produce not a lot more KWs than a 9-5 Hirsch at around $100K, surely it will attract many heads regardless of the number of cyls. PT used the comparisons of the HSV brand very well. At the end of the day these HSVs are nothing more than Hotted Up dam good looking Commodores which for the average Joe are ridiculously over priced. Yet they are sold extremely well, even exported to the UK. So, how come we are doing this in our own backyards effectively selling ice cream to the Eskimos ??? Where are you based PT ????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am convinced that the folk at Hirsch are assuming a lot in here through the distance factor from Europe to OZ. Surely, overnight deliveries will cost a bomb but off peak and lower priority shipments are very competitive. Agree with Swade&#8217;s comments on the average Joe Blog not turning it&#8217;s head to a 4 cyl unit at all. But just by the sheer presence of one and the impact of its performance many heads will surely turn. When a Merc C55 AMG is priced at the $160K and will produce not a lot more KWs than a 9-5 Hirsch at around $100K, surely it will attract many heads regardless of the number of cyls. PT used the comparisons of the HSV brand very well. At the end of the day these HSVs are nothing more than Hotted Up dam good looking Commodores which for the average Joe are ridiculously over priced. Yet they are sold extremely well, even exported to the UK. So, how come we are doing this in our own backyards effectively selling ice cream to the Eskimos ??? Where are you based PT ????</p>
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		<title>By: PT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of becoming a pest myself; heres a few more afterthoughts

Eggs - Audi do make some sweet cars. Friend of mine has an A4 1.8T Quattro and its a beauty. A license-shredder for sure. 

Swade - agree that a fairly simple start to the Hirsch campaign would be awareness with current 95 owners. Its not that complicated. As far as rev-heads go - guilty as charged your honour. As you know, I drive a lot ( 160km round trip to work daily) and do as much at high speed as possible. This is all relative to those of you with access to an Autobahn - bastards. Friends have various speedy sets of wheels, from the Audi above to BMW645 and Subaru 3.0 Bilsteins etc. Despite this, the unique qualities of a turboed swedish four are what drew me to Saab in the first place. So, while I acknowledge that your average HSV nut is not really going to look sideways at a 95 - unless its passing them - I reckon here are enough revheads who would be more than curious about the numbers that a Hirsched 95 puts out, if they knew about it. 

The lack of cashola or other resources is a big aspect of this no doubt. If I draw some VERY loose threads together about Saab here I could say: 

Average annual sales: 1000+ units
Average selling price: $65000
Turnover: $65m
Assuming 50% gross profit, Cost of Goods : $32.5m 
Sales &amp; Marketing expenses could be in the region of $25m + (would love to see what they comprise of as they are mostly carried by dealers, not the parent I guess) 
EBIT of $7.5m (10%+ )? 

Are SaabAus in the GM Aus annual report? Anyone seen one? 



Joe -I&#039;ll keep the resume up to date, get  my best suit drycleaned and wait for the call. Appreciate the compliment but as I&#039;m sure you know, its one thing to postulate on a blog, its another to run a business. There probably are some Hirsch freaks at Saab-Aus who just can&#039;t get the system to go their way; Neil Whitehead may be one. All the same, just be ready if someone calls for a reference. ;)

Wonder how many upgrades that software in Melbourne has done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of becoming a pest myself; heres a few more afterthoughts</p>
<p>Eggs &#8211; Audi do make some sweet cars. Friend of mine has an A4 1.8T Quattro and its a beauty. A license-shredder for sure. </p>
<p>Swade &#8211; agree that a fairly simple start to the Hirsch campaign would be awareness with current 95 owners. Its not that complicated. As far as rev-heads go &#8211; guilty as charged your honour. As you know, I drive a lot ( 160km round trip to work daily) and do as much at high speed as possible. This is all relative to those of you with access to an Autobahn &#8211; bastards. Friends have various speedy sets of wheels, from the Audi above to BMW645 and Subaru 3.0 Bilsteins etc. Despite this, the unique qualities of a turboed swedish four are what drew me to Saab in the first place. So, while I acknowledge that your average HSV nut is not really going to look sideways at a 95 &#8211; unless its passing them &#8211; I reckon here are enough revheads who would be more than curious about the numbers that a Hirsched 95 puts out, if they knew about it. </p>
<p>The lack of cashola or other resources is a big aspect of this no doubt. If I draw some VERY loose threads together about Saab here I could say: </p>
<p>Average annual sales: 1000+ units<br />
Average selling price: $65000<br />
Turnover: $65m<br />
Assuming 50% gross profit, Cost of Goods : $32.5m<br />
Sales &#038; Marketing expenses could be in the region of $25m + (would love to see what they comprise of as they are mostly carried by dealers, not the parent I guess)<br />
EBIT of $7.5m (10%+ )? </p>
<p>Are SaabAus in the GM Aus annual report? Anyone seen one? </p>
<p>Joe -I&#8217;ll keep the resume up to date, get  my best suit drycleaned and wait for the call. Appreciate the compliment but as I&#8217;m sure you know, its one thing to postulate on a blog, its another to run a business. There probably are some Hirsch freaks at Saab-Aus who just can&#8217;t get the system to go their way; Neil Whitehead may be one. All the same, just be ready if someone calls for a reference. <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Wonder how many upgrades that software in Melbourne has done?</p>
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		<title>By: eggsngrits</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggsngrits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swade -- my comments re:Audi were aimed more at Fred than your comments.  

And I agree with you -- Saab could be farther along with some better decisions.  I&#039;m simply heaping another reason for Audi&#039;s success onto the fire of thought -- they&#039;ve made some great cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swade &#8212; my comments re:Audi were aimed more at Fred than your comments.  </p>
<p>And I agree with you &#8212; Saab could be farther along with some better decisions.  I&#8217;m simply heaping another reason for Audi&#8217;s success onto the fire of thought &#8212; they&#8217;ve made some great cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, this is the email response I got from Erik at Hirsch in Switzerland yesterday (still no response from Saab Aust to today&#039;s email).....

Hi,

It is theoretically possible to order Hirsch products over Saab Australia. Homologation and warranty issues are in order. The contact person there is:

Neil Whitehead
neil.whitehead@gm.com
Tel +61 (0) 3 9257 0961

However, the transportation time and costs for any hardware parts would be substantial, so they are not actively pushing our products. 

Mr. Whitehead does however have two Hirsch Performance IPRO programming tools registered in his name, which means that they should theoretically be able to perform software-only upgrades. 

Cheers,

Erik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, this is the email response I got from Erik at Hirsch in Switzerland yesterday (still no response from Saab Aust to today&#8217;s email)&#8230;..</p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>It is theoretically possible to order Hirsch products over Saab Australia. Homologation and warranty issues are in order. The contact person there is:</p>
<p>Neil Whitehead<br />
<a href="mailto:neil.whitehead@gm.com">neil.whitehead@gm.com</a><br />
Tel +61 (0) 3 9257 0961</p>
<p>However, the transportation time and costs for any hardware parts would be substantial, so they are not actively pushing our products. </p>
<p>Mr. Whitehead does however have two Hirsch Performance IPRO programming tools registered in his name, which means that they should theoretically be able to perform software-only upgrades. </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Erik</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete,



You&#039;re right on the money.  Marketing $$ are likely dictated from the US, and as Saab&#039;s around a 1,000 unit seller here in Oz, there aint going to be a big pot to draw from.  But as you say, it&#039;s about having the flagship present for effect more than for pure profit.



My point earlier was that amongst the $100K crowd, CCs do count for a fair bit, and that&#039;s where the 9-5 is going to fall over (possibly along with the aged chassis design).



You and I know that a 9-5 is a great FWD car, but your average well-heeled yobbo wouldn&#039;t have a clue about that.



I really do think that it&#039;s worthwhile pushing Hirsch a lot more through dealerships in the eastern mainland states, esp Sydney.



Here&#039;s hoping that Saab Aust can see the sense in it.  I personally know of 2 or 3 Saab owners just here in Tassie that I reckon would possibly consider it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right on the money.  Marketing $$ are likely dictated from the US, and as Saab&#8217;s around a 1,000 unit seller here in Oz, there aint going to be a big pot to draw from.  But as you say, it&#8217;s about having the flagship present for effect more than for pure profit.</p>
<p>My point earlier was that amongst the $100K crowd, CCs do count for a fair bit, and that&#8217;s where the 9-5 is going to fall over (possibly along with the aged chassis design).</p>
<p>You and I know that a 9-5 is a great FWD car, but your average well-heeled yobbo wouldn&#8217;t have a clue about that.</p>
<p>I really do think that it&#8217;s worthwhile pushing Hirsch a lot more through dealerships in the eastern mainland states, esp Sydney.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping that Saab Aust can see the sense in it.  I personally know of 2 or 3 Saab owners just here in Tassie that I reckon would possibly consider it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Lobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PT, I don&#039;t know what your current job is, skills, degrees or any other brightness you possess in addition to your clear business sense. One solution to fix the local grievances with Saab&#039;s position will be for GM/Holden to employ you to run the show from here on onwards. I hope you see this as clear compliment since people like you are desperately needed. Maybe we should run a campaign to have you as head of Saab OZ and fix this short sight ness once and for all. I thoroughly enjoy your comments and accurate points of view. Keep commenting please !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PT, I don&#8217;t know what your current job is, skills, degrees or any other brightness you possess in addition to your clear business sense. One solution to fix the local grievances with Saab&#8217;s position will be for GM/Holden to employ you to run the show from here on onwards. I hope you see this as clear compliment since people like you are desperately needed. Maybe we should run a campaign to have you as head of Saab OZ and fix this short sight ness once and for all. I thoroughly enjoy your comments and accurate points of view. Keep commenting please !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PT - I&#039;ll come back to you points in a moment.

Eggs - No critics of Audi in the chair I&#039;m sitting in.  The grinding of my teeth is over the models that GM&#039;s cost-cutting killed off.  Models that were innovative and could have had Saab leaps ahead of where they are now.

Audi did it with a solid line that resulted in the TT, a halo car, and they capitalised from there.  Saab could have had a similar path but for a few mistakes and the cost-cutting that resulted.

Whenever I see Audi&#039;s success I think &quot;There but for the goofiness of ????? goes Saab.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PT &#8211; I&#8217;ll come back to you points in a moment.</p>
<p>Eggs &#8211; No critics of Audi in the chair I&#8217;m sitting in.  The grinding of my teeth is over the models that GM&#8217;s cost-cutting killed off.  Models that were innovative and could have had Saab leaps ahead of where they are now.</p>
<p>Audi did it with a solid line that resulted in the TT, a halo car, and they capitalised from there.  Saab could have had a similar path but for a few mistakes and the cost-cutting that resulted.</p>
<p>Whenever I see Audi&#8217;s success I think &#8220;There but for the goofiness of ????? goes Saab.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: eggsngrits</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggsngrits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you driven an Audi lately?  I&#039;d say that &#039;born from VWs&#039; is resulting in some darn good cars.  Maybe better than the Saabs.  Heresy around here, for sure, but it&#039;s quite possibly true.  Additionally, Saab has no answer to the A8 which hurts sales here in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you driven an Audi lately?  I&#8217;d say that &#8216;born from VWs&#8217; is resulting in some darn good cars.  Maybe better than the Saabs.  Heresy around here, for sure, but it&#8217;s quite possibly true.  Additionally, Saab has no answer to the A8 which hurts sales here in the US.</p>
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