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		<title>By: James Baber</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Baber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an PHEV entheusiast that had been unaware of the Saab effort until I saw this commentary.  I personally believe that GM wants the PHEV to go away, because Toyota is far ahead of GM in this arena and is rapidly overtaking GM in all auto sales.  

GM, unfortunately is guided by the oil industry.   This symbiosis has existed since Standard Oil, GM, and Firestone Tire essentially bought up the major US urban cities street railroad systems to convert them to buses for obvious profit reasons. This same profitable oil, rubber, vehicle combination has GM and big oil looking for any solution other than PHEV hybrids, which are the best quick energy solution. 

PHEV hybrids do not need expensive new infrastructure plants. They can utilize any current engine type, gas or diesel, and their technology is proven. They drastically improve the MPG figures for the user at the expense of the oil companies. These PHEV hybrids will have lower vehicle maintenance costs because brake wear is reduced, transmissions are used more lightly, engines are less stressed. This has been proven by Canadian Taxicab usage.

The biggest problem - IT WASN&#039;T GM&#039;S patentable idea.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an PHEV entheusiast that had been unaware of the Saab effort until I saw this commentary.  I personally believe that GM wants the PHEV to go away, because Toyota is far ahead of GM in this arena and is rapidly overtaking GM in all auto sales.  </p>
<p>GM, unfortunately is guided by the oil industry.   This symbiosis has existed since Standard Oil, GM, and Firestone Tire essentially bought up the major US urban cities street railroad systems to convert them to buses for obvious profit reasons. This same profitable oil, rubber, vehicle combination has GM and big oil looking for any solution other than PHEV hybrids, which are the best quick energy solution. </p>
<p>PHEV hybrids do not need expensive new infrastructure plants. They can utilize any current engine type, gas or diesel, and their technology is proven. They drastically improve the MPG figures for the user at the expense of the oil companies. These PHEV hybrids will have lower vehicle maintenance costs because brake wear is reduced, transmissions are used more lightly, engines are less stressed. This has been proven by Canadian Taxicab usage.</p>
<p>The biggest problem &#8211; IT WASN&#8217;T GM&#8217;S patentable idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Arktos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arktos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Aftonbladet as a source:
Aftonbladet is your generic tabloid in general, but Robert Collin is NOT crappy. He is one of Europes&#039;s best auto journalist.

Guess who made Mercedes remake the chassis of A-classe... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Aftonbladet as a source:<br />
Aftonbladet is your generic tabloid in general, but Robert Collin is NOT crappy. He is one of Europes&#8217;s best auto journalist.</p>
<p>Guess who made Mercedes remake the chassis of A-classe&#8230; <img src='http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kayfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>kayfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was searching Google News and found this article on AutoWeb: 

Quote from the article: 

&quot;To optimise the availability of &#039;Zero Mode&#039;, a plug-in-feature is available which allows the battery bank to be connected to a mains electricity supply for additional charging in the garage. This would, for example, allow a driver commuting in heavy traffic to immediately resume in &#039;Zero Mode&#039; the next morning after arriving home the previous evening having used up all its range. A neat socket is located behind the Saab badge on the 9-3 BioPower Hybrid Concept&#039;s trunk lid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was searching Google News and found this article on AutoWeb: </p>
<p>Quote from the article: </p>
<p>&#8220;To optimise the availability of &#8216;Zero Mode&#8217;, a plug-in-feature is available which allows the battery bank to be connected to a mains electricity supply for additional charging in the garage. This would, for example, allow a driver commuting in heavy traffic to immediately resume in &#8216;Zero Mode&#8217; the next morning after arriving home the previous evening having used up all its range. A neat socket is located behind the Saab badge on the 9-3 BioPower Hybrid Concept&#8217;s trunk lid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fred dzlsabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred dzlsabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in bizarro-world (US) we get what we dont pay for. Saabusa (hell SaabNA) needs management that knows where its bread is buttered, ie Carl and Jan-Ake sign the checks. And Jay (before I give up on him and other Cadislackers) needs to watch Mr Sinclairs video (elsewhere on this site) and see what a genuine Saab boss was like.
Get those PHEVs and diesels rollin over here, everywhere ASAP. FWIW the 95 (and 97) should have that V6 option...and ReaXs rearsteer. The 93 never needed the V6. But imagine the 23T. 
As long as theyre burning the furniture...Saab, Opel and yes even Saturn would be formidable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in bizarro-world (US) we get what we dont pay for. Saabusa (hell SaabNA) needs management that knows where its bread is buttered, ie Carl and Jan-Ake sign the checks. And Jay (before I give up on him and other Cadislackers) needs to watch Mr Sinclairs video (elsewhere on this site) and see what a genuine Saab boss was like.<br />
Get those PHEVs and diesels rollin over here, everywhere ASAP. FWIW the 95 (and 97) should have that V6 option&#8230;and ReaXs rearsteer. The 93 never needed the V6. But imagine the 23T.<br />
As long as theyre burning the furniture&#8230;Saab, Opel and yes even Saturn would be formidable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eggsngrits:
Why did you have to ruin a pefectly good rant thread with all that logic and common sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eggsngrits:<br />
Why did you have to ruin a pefectly good rant thread with all that logic and common sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should emphasise first up, that I have no knowledge that GM will introduce a plug-in at New York on another brand.  This is Robert Collin&#039;s speculation in Aftonbladet, which I&#039;ve included in my opinion above.

What I&#039;m cheesed off about is that whilst Saab have had some time in the sun this last month, they&#039;ve bloody well deserved it and more.  If they&#039;ve developed this hybrid system then they should get a chance to debut it and lead the corporation in this field.

They&#039;re capable and they certainly could do with the bolstering of their brand reputation in the marketplace as an innovator.

I know GM has every right to take technologies developed under their umbrella and do with them as they please, but if what Aftonbladet are reporting has actually happened, then I think Saab are definitely getting the rough end of the stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should emphasise first up, that I have no knowledge that GM will introduce a plug-in at New York on another brand.  This is Robert Collin&#8217;s speculation in Aftonbladet, which I&#8217;ve included in my opinion above.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m cheesed off about is that whilst Saab have had some time in the sun this last month, they&#8217;ve bloody well deserved it and more.  If they&#8217;ve developed this hybrid system then they should get a chance to debut it and lead the corporation in this field.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re capable and they certainly could do with the bolstering of their brand reputation in the marketplace as an innovator.</p>
<p>I know GM has every right to take technologies developed under their umbrella and do with them as they please, but if what Aftonbladet are reporting has actually happened, then I think Saab are definitely getting the rough end of the stick.</p>
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		<title>By: ctm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jón Gunnar:

Aftonbladet is the biggest paper in Sweden, although it&#039;s a &quot;evening paper&quot; (lots of stuff about famous people, sport, pleasure...). Collin is a good journalist, and when testing cars he usually seems to write what he really thinks. He is not the &quot;it&#039;s German, it&#039;s expensive, it&#039;s really good at speeds above 120 mph and therefore it&#039;s good&quot;-type, like they are in car magazines like Auto Motor &amp; Sport. He has been in the game for a long time (at least 15 years, I think). As I said earlie...Maybe he has some really good sources at Saab.

But the again. I agree with eggsngrits. Maybe GM put the lid on and &quot;took it away&quot; from Saab. But Saab has got all the attention for over a month now with Aero-X and hybrid. One has to understand that GM have other brands that need something at a show, and since the next big show is in N.Y. then one of the U.S. brands getting the attention now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jón Gunnar:</p>
<p>Aftonbladet is the biggest paper in Sweden, although it&#8217;s a &#8220;evening paper&#8221; (lots of stuff about famous people, sport, pleasure&#8230;). Collin is a good journalist, and when testing cars he usually seems to write what he really thinks. He is not the &#8220;it&#8217;s German, it&#8217;s expensive, it&#8217;s really good at speeds above 120 mph and therefore it&#8217;s good&#8221;-type, like they are in car magazines like Auto Motor &#038; Sport. He has been in the game for a long time (at least 15 years, I think). As I said earlie&#8230;Maybe he has some really good sources at Saab.</p>
<p>But the again. I agree with eggsngrits. Maybe GM put the lid on and &#8220;took it away&#8221; from Saab. But Saab has got all the attention for over a month now with Aero-X and hybrid. One has to understand that GM have other brands that need something at a show, and since the next big show is in N.Y. then one of the U.S. brands getting the attention now.</p>
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		<title>By: eggsngrits</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggsngrits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!!  Lots of claws come out when there seems to be a bit of skulduggery!

To most of you, I agree with the negative vibe that we are getting from GM.  Something is amiss and it can&#039;t hold much longer.  The shake-up at GM HQ is real -- two of my friends that work at Saturn (the plant is only 10 miles from me) have commented on the unexpectedly severe consequences -- at least 400 project managers, program managers and engineers were summarily fired last week over a lack of results.  400 doesn&#039;t sound like much, but these people weren&#039;t the rank-and-file -- they were in the middle levels of corporate management and development.  They are hurting, sure.

I also agree that Saab&#039;s leadership in technology is sometimes muted for the percieved greater good.  Not always a satisfying play.  Definitely it defies logic at times.  However, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for pulling back on a feature like this....

1.  To enhance the technology prior to introducing it.  It amazes me that people will announce an inferior product with fanfare when a competitor has a superior product.  Perhaps GM knows something about the competing products that Saab doesn&#039;t, and they were saving Saab from a blunder.

2.  GM wants the GM &#039;family&#039; to benefit from the announcement, not just Saab.  A rising tide raises all ships.

3.  Perhaps there were patent issues to investigate.  GM&#039;s been burned on this one.

4. Perhaps GM knows that a competitor is planning a big announcement at the upcoming shows and GM wants to counter with news of their own.

There are as many reasons as you could care to dream up -- so why should we assume the worst?  GM&#039;s ownership has been more or less benevolent until now -- why would that stop?  Certainly, Saab has become less Saaby with the demands of GM ownership and changes seem to come slowly, but don&#039;t go all paranoid just because Saab answers to a higher power.  

And, for the record, I&#039;m NOT a huge fan of GM&#039;s track record, either.  I&#039;m not a GM appologist.  On the other hand, I recognize that Saab benefits from the GM relationship, too.  

Good and bad aren&#039;t always opposites -- they have to coexist in most areas of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!!  Lots of claws come out when there seems to be a bit of skulduggery!</p>
<p>To most of you, I agree with the negative vibe that we are getting from GM.  Something is amiss and it can&#8217;t hold much longer.  The shake-up at GM HQ is real &#8212; two of my friends that work at Saturn (the plant is only 10 miles from me) have commented on the unexpectedly severe consequences &#8212; at least 400 project managers, program managers and engineers were summarily fired last week over a lack of results.  400 doesn&#8217;t sound like much, but these people weren&#8217;t the rank-and-file &#8212; they were in the middle levels of corporate management and development.  They are hurting, sure.</p>
<p>I also agree that Saab&#8217;s leadership in technology is sometimes muted for the percieved greater good.  Not always a satisfying play.  Definitely it defies logic at times.  However, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for pulling back on a feature like this&#8230;.</p>
<p>1.  To enhance the technology prior to introducing it.  It amazes me that people will announce an inferior product with fanfare when a competitor has a superior product.  Perhaps GM knows something about the competing products that Saab doesn&#8217;t, and they were saving Saab from a blunder.</p>
<p>2.  GM wants the GM &#8216;family&#8217; to benefit from the announcement, not just Saab.  A rising tide raises all ships.</p>
<p>3.  Perhaps there were patent issues to investigate.  GM&#8217;s been burned on this one.</p>
<p>4. Perhaps GM knows that a competitor is planning a big announcement at the upcoming shows and GM wants to counter with news of their own.</p>
<p>There are as many reasons as you could care to dream up &#8212; so why should we assume the worst?  GM&#8217;s ownership has been more or less benevolent until now &#8212; why would that stop?  Certainly, Saab has become less Saaby with the demands of GM ownership and changes seem to come slowly, but don&#8217;t go all paranoid just because Saab answers to a higher power.  </p>
<p>And, for the record, I&#8217;m NOT a huge fan of GM&#8217;s track record, either.  I&#8217;m not a GM appologist.  On the other hand, I recognize that Saab benefits from the GM relationship, too.  </p>
<p>Good and bad aren&#8217;t always opposites &#8212; they have to coexist in most areas of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jón Gunnar Kristinsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jón Gunnar Kristinsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swade, I want to begin thanking you for this great site. I had to say something when I saw your comment on S. Pat. I know his black list, two times he threw me out for puting in a link to a swedish enth. site www.stcs.nu that didn´t link back to him. Had a discussion over email about all this and found out that I did not want to say more to him, he is the boss. 

Is this &quot;Aftonbladet&quot; a reliable paper? Do you have some other sources?


Thanks, Jón Gunnar Kristinsson, icelandic SAAB club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swade, I want to begin thanking you for this great site. I had to say something when I saw your comment on S. Pat. I know his black list, two times he threw me out for puting in a link to a swedish enth. site <a href="http://www.stcs.nu" rel="nofollow">http://www.stcs.nu</a> that didn´t link back to him. Had a discussion over email about all this and found out that I did not want to say more to him, he is the boss. </p>
<p>Is this &#8220;Aftonbladet&#8221; a reliable paper? Do you have some other sources?</p>
<p>Thanks, Jón Gunnar Kristinsson, icelandic SAAB club.</p>
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		<title>By: TuuSaR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TuuSaR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was always plug-in hybrid for me, I wouldnt make this so huge issue.

GM didnt hide fusion reactor or something. There has been rechargeable batterys for over 100 years.

Its well known that plug-in is very sensitive subject in the USA as there are energy problems.

Well Saab gets double attention now, for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was always plug-in hybrid for me, I wouldnt make this so huge issue.</p>
<p>GM didnt hide fusion reactor or something. There has been rechargeable batterys for over 100 years.</p>
<p>Its well known that plug-in is very sensitive subject in the USA as there are energy problems.</p>
<p>Well Saab gets double attention now, for free.</p>
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