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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2005/11/snippets.html#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t amazing how much us NSWers are getting ripped off. For my plates: SAA899 I pay $100 ontop of rego. When I was looking at plates SAAB99 would of set me back $480! I&#039;m happy with SAA899 as most people can understand. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t amazing how much us NSWers are getting ripped off. For my plates: SAA899 I pay $100 ontop of rego. When I was looking at plates SAAB99 would of set me back $480! I&#8217;m happy with SAA899 as most people can understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2005/11/snippets.html#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I&#039;m blown away.  My nephew and my sister both have custom plates in Melbourne and they paid an up-front fee only.  No annual fee.



I admire your dedication!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I&#8217;m blown away.  My nephew and my sister both have custom plates in Melbourne and they paid an up-front fee only.  No annual fee.</p>
<p>I admire your dedication!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Humpage</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2005/11/snippets.html#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Humpage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swade, the cost of the plate is on top of the rego. A normal plate costs nothing but once you add a colour and then your letters it starts to add up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swade, the cost of the plate is on top of the rego. A normal plate costs nothing but once you add a colour and then your letters it starts to add up.</p>
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		<title>By: Swade</title>
		<link>http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2005/11/snippets.html#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>Swade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mort, according to that article, production workers are currently averaging around $27 and hour.  These are the ones that are due for the proposed $12 an hour pay rate.  Not too bad at all for an assembly worker.

You live close to where that&#039;s happening, so I repsect your opinion, but I can&#039;t agree with it.  This wage isn&#039;t too high?  C&#039;mon...

A similarly skilled tradesman in small business will get what the market will pay for his services.  If he&#039;s good at what he does, he&#039;ll get paid well because his services will be in demand.  These guys aren&#039;t getting paid a market rate.  Their colleagues at non-UAW plants are and they&#039;re scared to death of having to come down to it.

The other thing about the market - it&#039;s flexible.  It moves with supply and demand.  The UAW seems to think that it&#039;s market-proof, whereas everybody else knows that GM aren&#039;t.  These guys aren&#039;t living on a wage that&#039;s responsive to today&#039;s marketplace.  They&#039;re living on a wage won when the big 3 were the only 3 that counted, when times were golden - the road was big and the SUV&#039;s were just as big and the fuel supply seemed endless.

I agree with you about the management salaries, however.  GM&#039;s management are living high on the hog, too.  They could take a leaf from Toyota&#039;s management handbook, where the top exec receives around a million per year.  It&#039;s a team effort over there and that&#039;s why they&#039;re prospering.

But please, don&#039;t give me the one about my life depending on a bolt that they have to tighten as a justification for these high wages.  They assemble an engineered item and they should be capable of doing that to a standard without demanding exorbitant pay that&#039;s not commensurate with the job.  I rely on my outdoor furniture to hold together so that I don&#039;t fall off it and break my back, but how much am I willing to pay for outdoor furniture?

Again, it comes down to the market.  Human resources are frequently any company&#039;s biggest expense.  In GM&#039;s case, inflated wages and benefits are crippling the company and are going to have to be adjusted if they&#039;re to avoid bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mort, according to that article, production workers are currently averaging around $27 and hour.  These are the ones that are due for the proposed $12 an hour pay rate.  Not too bad at all for an assembly worker.</p>
<p>You live close to where that&#8217;s happening, so I repsect your opinion, but I can&#8217;t agree with it.  This wage isn&#8217;t too high?  C&#8217;mon&#8230;</p>
<p>A similarly skilled tradesman in small business will get what the market will pay for his services.  If he&#8217;s good at what he does, he&#8217;ll get paid well because his services will be in demand.  These guys aren&#8217;t getting paid a market rate.  Their colleagues at non-UAW plants are and they&#8217;re scared to death of having to come down to it.</p>
<p>The other thing about the market &#8211; it&#8217;s flexible.  It moves with supply and demand.  The UAW seems to think that it&#8217;s market-proof, whereas everybody else knows that GM aren&#8217;t.  These guys aren&#8217;t living on a wage that&#8217;s responsive to today&#8217;s marketplace.  They&#8217;re living on a wage won when the big 3 were the only 3 that counted, when times were golden &#8211; the road was big and the SUV&#8217;s were just as big and the fuel supply seemed endless.</p>
<p>I agree with you about the management salaries, however.  GM&#8217;s management are living high on the hog, too.  They could take a leaf from Toyota&#8217;s management handbook, where the top exec receives around a million per year.  It&#8217;s a team effort over there and that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re prospering.</p>
<p>But please, don&#8217;t give me the one about my life depending on a bolt that they have to tighten as a justification for these high wages.  They assemble an engineered item and they should be capable of doing that to a standard without demanding exorbitant pay that&#8217;s not commensurate with the job.  I rely on my outdoor furniture to hold together so that I don&#8217;t fall off it and break my back, but how much am I willing to pay for outdoor furniture?</p>
<p>Again, it comes down to the market.  Human resources are frequently any company&#8217;s biggest expense.  In GM&#8217;s case, inflated wages and benefits are crippling the company and are going to have to be adjusted if they&#8217;re to avoid bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up and live in metro Detroit and get outraged when people start taking on union wages.  First, these guys don&#039;t make $30+/hr unless they&#039;re in a &quot;trade&quot;, which means a much more complicated job than screwing four bolts into every engine that comes down the line (the bolts upon which your life might one day depend).  Second, the UAW wages aren&#039;t that tremendous--it&#039;s that others&#039; wages are that appallingly low.  Auto workers in Sweden and Germany have higher annual incomes working far fewer hours.  Third, they aren&#039;t living high off the hog like the morons earning 7-8 figures to run GM into the ground, so don&#039;t blame them for GM&#039;s problems. Last, how much would they have to offer you to lift tires all day to put on each car that comes down the line, 40 hrs/wk for the next 30 yrs?  Without my education, I&#039;d rather welcome people at Wal-Mart for $7/hr (if they&#039;re up to that) than do that for $20/hr.

Disclosure:  I do not now, nor have I ever worked for GM or any GM affiliate.  I did work at Ford Motor Company (in purchasing for 7 yrs, then worldwide marketing for 3), but am gladly no longer working in anything related to the automotive industry. Last week, I bought my third Saab and I don&#039;t want to see it disappear either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up and live in metro Detroit and get outraged when people start taking on union wages.  First, these guys don&#8217;t make $30+/hr unless they&#8217;re in a &#8220;trade&#8221;, which means a much more complicated job than screwing four bolts into every engine that comes down the line (the bolts upon which your life might one day depend).  Second, the UAW wages aren&#8217;t that tremendous&#8211;it&#8217;s that others&#8217; wages are that appallingly low.  Auto workers in Sweden and Germany have higher annual incomes working far fewer hours.  Third, they aren&#8217;t living high off the hog like the morons earning 7-8 figures to run GM into the ground, so don&#8217;t blame them for GM&#8217;s problems. Last, how much would they have to offer you to lift tires all day to put on each car that comes down the line, 40 hrs/wk for the next 30 yrs?  Without my education, I&#8217;d rather welcome people at Wal-Mart for $7/hr (if they&#8217;re up to that) than do that for $20/hr.</p>
<p>Disclosure:  I do not now, nor have I ever worked for GM or any GM affiliate.  I did work at Ford Motor Company (in purchasing for 7 yrs, then worldwide marketing for 3), but am gladly no longer working in anything related to the automotive industry. Last week, I bought my third Saab and I don&#8217;t want to see it disappear either.</p>
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		<title>By: 1985 Gripen</title>
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		<dc:creator>1985 Gripen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amon_amarth,

I take exception with your statement, &quot;Second, realize that this base salary comes after 30 years of hard work and raises -- he hasn&#039;t been making this amount for three decades.&quot;

I used to be a member of a union (as usual, it was REQUIRED to take the job). I was being paid an outragous salary which had been &quot;negotiated&quot; by the union. The way it works is that everyone with my job title makes the same salary no matter what. It&#039;s not like in the private sector where the harder you work and the better job you do you can earn a merit increase. The union regularly &quot;negotiates&quot; new ever-higher-paying salaries for their employees (factoring in higher cost-of living and inflation as well). Why should I work hard if the guy next to me is sleeping on the job? It&#039;s not like I&#039;ll be rewarded for my hard work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amon_amarth,</p>
<p>I take exception with your statement, &#8220;Second, realize that this base salary comes after 30 years of hard work and raises &#8212; he hasn&#8217;t been making this amount for three decades.&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to be a member of a union (as usual, it was REQUIRED to take the job). I was being paid an outragous salary which had been &#8220;negotiated&#8221; by the union. The way it works is that everyone with my job title makes the same salary no matter what. It&#8217;s not like in the private sector where the harder you work and the better job you do you can earn a merit increase. The union regularly &#8220;negotiates&#8221; new ever-higher-paying salaries for their employees (factoring in higher cost-of living and inflation as well). Why should I work hard if the guy next to me is sleeping on the job? It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;ll be rewarded for my hard work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on UAW contracts:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200511290819.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on UAW contracts:<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200511290819.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200511290819.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

There is nothing wrong with wanting better pay.  The point is that these unskilled workers are getting paid way more than they are worth, or that the market can bear and that we simply have no sympathy for them.  They have had a good run but now it’s over.  Nothing more, nothing less.

As for your assertion that the contracts are solely the responsibility of management I can only be left to assume you have never heard of what unions call a “strike”.  In a strike the workers stop working see, and the companies stop making products and start losing money.  It is through the use of these “strikes” that unions are able to get such wonderful contracts.

Every three years the UAW chooses one of the Big Three to strike in order to garner ever more concessions from the automakers and that contract is then used for the other two.  Back in the 90’s it was GM’s turn, management held out for months until they ran out of trucks.  Go to the local Chevy dealer for a pickup?  Sorry all out.  GM finally had to cave after losing millions.  This you somehow are able to see fit to say is only management’s fault, as if the union had nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with wanting better pay.  The point is that these unskilled workers are getting paid way more than they are worth, or that the market can bear and that we simply have no sympathy for them.  They have had a good run but now it’s over.  Nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>As for your assertion that the contracts are solely the responsibility of management I can only be left to assume you have never heard of what unions call a “strike”.  In a strike the workers stop working see, and the companies stop making products and start losing money.  It is through the use of these “strikes” that unions are able to get such wonderful contracts.</p>
<p>Every three years the UAW chooses one of the Big Three to strike in order to garner ever more concessions from the automakers and that contract is then used for the other two.  Back in the 90’s it was GM’s turn, management held out for months until they ran out of trucks.  Go to the local Chevy dealer for a pickup?  Sorry all out.  GM finally had to cave after losing millions.  This you somehow are able to see fit to say is only management’s fault, as if the union had nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 30 years old with a University engineering degree and I make $42500 a year which is a slightly over average salary and on that i pay 33% taxes. Sweden is not a fun country to live in....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 30 years old with a University engineering degree and I make $42500 a year which is a slightly over average salary and on that i pay 33% taxes. Sweden is not a fun country to live in&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I don&#039;t agree with most of you.

I don&#039;t fault the worker at all. Who can blame them for maximizing their pay?

I blame GM&#039;s management. They are the ones who are negotiating the contracts and writing the checks. The legacy costs are hurting GM&#039;s bottom-line, but who ultimately controls the company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t agree with most of you.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t fault the worker at all. Who can blame them for maximizing their pay?</p>
<p>I blame GM&#8217;s management. They are the ones who are negotiating the contracts and writing the checks. The legacy costs are hurting GM&#8217;s bottom-line, but who ultimately controls the company?</p>
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